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welcome to this edition of investment
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insights today we have James Wilson with
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us welcome James thanks Natasha
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with the backdrop of stubbornly high
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inflation persisting in major economies
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together with the ongoing Russia Ukraine
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crisis how have the markets been
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performing this quarter
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you have probably seen on the news that
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investment markets have had another
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tough quarter Global share markets have
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fallen over four percent bringing major
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indices back into beer market territory
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and bonds which should be expected to
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provide some cushioning when share
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markets fall continue to post negative
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returns due to Rising interest rates the
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New Zealand dollar continued to
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depreciate particularly against the US
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dollar however the New Zealand share
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market which has a more defensive
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composition bucked the trend and
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generated a positive return over the
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quarter
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High inflation has predominantly been
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the cause of the weak global market
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returns not so much the war in Ukraine
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the war has showed no signs of stopping
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recently we've even seen Ukrainian
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forces drive back the Russian army in
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some areas only to be met with a Russian
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escalation of more troops and the
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annexation of four Ukrainian regions so
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it certainly feels far from a resolution
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there and while this war hasn't been
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driving Global share or bond market
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returns it continues to put pressure on
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commodity prices such as energy and food
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which we've all likely felt at the
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petrol station and the supermarket it is
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one of the reasons Global inflation
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remains significantly elevated as a lot
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of countries like New Zealand have to
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import these essential Commodities at
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higher prices and this led to inflation
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at a time when inflation was already
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high this has been particularly bad for
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Europe where inflation has hit a new
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high for the 11th consecutive month
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above 20 in some countries the US isn't
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too far behind with annual inflation up
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8.3 percent with President Biden
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recently announcing the inflation
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reduction act in New Zealand we are also
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not too far behind annual inflation is
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up 7.3 percent which is a 32-year high
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there has been a lot of discussion
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lately regarding the likelihood of a
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soft burst hard Landing what are the key
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issues that are likely to determine
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which way economies may head and what do
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each of these scenarios mean for New
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Zealand investors
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you may have seen in the media recently
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that the central banks around the world
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include in The Reserve Bank of New
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Zealand are raising interest rates in
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order to slow the economy to bring
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inflation under control the problem is
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the impacts of higher interest rates can
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take a while to take effect
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a soft Landing is when the central banks
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are trying to look to bring inflation
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under control without causing a severe
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downturn in the economy and getting the
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balance right is often referred to as
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walking on a tightrope if the central
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banks raise interest rates too much it
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could push the economy into a more
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significant slowdown and that's what we
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mean by a hard Landing this is likely to
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be detrimental for shares and bonds our
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view is that a soft Landing is still
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possible and if so investment markets
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are more likely to Stage a recovery the
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current pressures that would normally
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lead to a hard Landing are being offset
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by consumers and businesses remaining in
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Good Financial shape this has been more
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recently helped by energy investment
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packages which have been introduced
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across developed countries such as the
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United Kingdom along with other European
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countries which include Denmark Bulgaria
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Germany and Italy where they have
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announced a household and business
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energy subsidy as we are coming to the
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end of 2022 can we expect to see more of
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the same in the markets we certainly
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expect markets to remain volatile
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due to a number of uncertainties and
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significant risks which remain we are
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keeping a close eye on inflation and
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interest rates in particular which could
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result in a wide range of scenarios
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as well as impacts of any further
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geopolitical risks and the economic
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developments in the UK which many have
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begun to describe as a fiscal car crash
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in this volatile environment having a
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strategy which is Diversified across a
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range of asset classes such as property
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and infrastructure and into asset
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classes which can offer some protection
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against inflation has never been more
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important but for now the most important
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thing to do is to choose the most
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appropriate investment strategy which
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suits your financial objectives and
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personal circumstances
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welcome to this edition of investment
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insights today we have hayden tyrell
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with us welcome hayden thanks laura
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the russia ukraine crisis has been
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ongoing for a while now with sanctions
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being put on russia from countries
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across the world how has this impacted
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markets both worldwide and in new
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zealand two key themes are driving
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markets at the moment these are
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inflation and a conflict between ukraine
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and russia the conflict came at a time
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when global share markets were already
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showing increased levels of volatility
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this was off the back of signals from
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central banks around the world that they
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would start to wrap up their support of
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monetary policy regimes in response to
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soaring inflation
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this shook global share markets as a key
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asset in the tool belt of a central bank
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is to raise interest rates we've seen
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this happen in new zealand recently with
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the reserve bank in new zealand raising
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interest rates and these increases
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feeding through to the likes of mortgage
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rates
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this hits businesses the same way that
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it hits households resulting in
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increased loan expenses lower profits
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and a lower share price the conflict
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only added to the volatility as
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investors questioned the severity and
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also the ripple effect it would have on
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many industries and regions
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as a result we saw global share markets
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continue to sell off and investors move
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their money to traditional safe haven
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assets such as treasury bonds and gold
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we also saw commodity assets such as oil
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and wheat have large price fluctuations
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as the conflict's impact on supply of
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these assets was questioned
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war on conflict creates instability
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which we have seen with the migrant
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crisis and financial markets with the
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duration of the conflict unknown do we
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think there will be continual market
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instability going forward
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whilst the war continues and questions
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remain around how it can impact markets
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we will see increased levels of market
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volatility
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in saying that we saw a board-based
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recovery in equity markets across march
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and the vix index which is a measure of
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volatility in the s p 500 has retreated
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indicating less expected volatility in
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the markets the shock of the conflict
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has at this time being priced into
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markets however it will not take much to
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change this if a further escalation
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occurs or the war spills over into a
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neighboring nato country flash flooding
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recently seen across the pacific is
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becoming more frequent with climate
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change cities are learning to adapt how
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are the portfolios adapting to climate
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change
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sustainability is one of mercer's core
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investment beliefs
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last year most new zealand committed
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ourselves to achieving net zero carbon
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emissions from all of our investments by
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2050 with a 45 reduction by 2030. this
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means that we're actively working
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towards a lower carbon future through
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collaborating closely with our
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investment managers to reduce portfolio
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carbon emissions and avoid companies
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that will be adversely affected by
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climate change instead investing in
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solutions that aid the transition like
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renewable energy and digital technology
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inflation numbers in new zealand and
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around the world are at historical highs
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this tends to provide headwinds for
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financial assets how are the portfolios
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set up to deal with inflation that's
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right laura inflation in new zealand was
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5.9 over the past year we've seen
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similar levels globally
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we expect it to remain elevated over the
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short term and then trend back down to
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more normal levels in the medium to long
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term
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our portfolios are stress tested
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regularly for a range of different
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scenarios including higher inflation
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this helps us understand how they would
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behave in that environment a diversified
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approach means we have allocations to
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inflation-sensitive assets such as
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listed and unlisted infrastructure and
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property that should help smooth returns
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in a higher inflationary environment
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welcome to this edition of investment
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insights today we have john hepburn with
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us
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2021 was another year full of
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uncertainty for investors in the markets
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with aucklanders spending more than 100
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days in lockdown various restrictions
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across the rest of new zealand and
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globally and the vaccine rollouts
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john can you give us a roundup of the
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local and global markets over the final
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quarter of 2021
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the fourth quarter of 2021 proved to be
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a relatively strong period across the
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board for investors with only japan the
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emerging markets and new zealand posting
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negative returns despite the rise of the
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latest covert variant omicron financial
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markets remain upbeat with financial
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indicators showing supportive signs of
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economic growth and governments
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appearing reluctant to impose harsh
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lockdown measures to counter the new
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variant
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new zealand equities had a turbulent
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year which continued into the final
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quarter a rally in december of 2.6 was
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not enough to correct the declines of
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november and october leaving the index
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at a modest 0.2 for the year australian
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equities on the other hand had a
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positive quarter this positive return
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was entirely attributable to december as
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the index declined in both october and
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november
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global equities finished the year
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strongly this topped off an incredible
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year for the sector posting positive
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returns in nine out of the 12 months and
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delivering a 24.2 return for the year
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global bond markets did not fare as well
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over the quarter as investors weighed up
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the possibility of interest rate hikes
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and the corroding effect this would have
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on their return omicron is the latest
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strain which has achieved new record
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highs of over a million cases a day new
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zealand recorded its first
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border-related community case in
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december
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what further impact might this strain as
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well as other possible future strains
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potentially have on kiwi investors
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financial markets have been volatile in
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recent weeks with investors unsettled in
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part by the emergence of the omicron
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variant
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we don't believe that omicron by itself
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will derail the recovery rather that it
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will simply be another obstacle and the
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two steps forward one step back reality
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of living with this virus the variant
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currently looks to be much less severe
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than previous variants however is much
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more transmissible this has caused a
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large number of supply chain bottlenecks
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around the world as many workers have
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been forced to isolate with the virus
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this has added to the inflationary
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pressures we have seen over the past few
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months as companies have lifted prices
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for goods
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if case numbers do not explode to
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unmanageable levels in new zealand we
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should see relatively little additional
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impact on our local economy there has
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been a lot of talk that interest rates
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and inflation will continue to rise how
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does this impact investors and the
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investment options
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higher inflation that is more persistent
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than first thought as well as strong
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recovery from 2022 is pushing us toward
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a swifter reduction in monetary stimulus
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from central banks
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this will be a major theme in 2022 and
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the transition away from extremely
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stimulative monetary policy will likely
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mean increasing volatility higher
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borrowing costs and more modest returns
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from many asset classes in new zealand
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after 18 months at a record low of 0.25
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the official cash rate was moved to 0.75
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in early october inflation is very high
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house price gains are unsustainable and
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the economy is running hot against the
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backdrop of an extremely tight labor
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market financial markets expect the ocr
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to peak near 3 in the next couple of
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years this is likely to impact
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confidence spending and the housing
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market
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the inflation debate is likely to remain
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heated well into 2022 and while we
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believe some elements of the current
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cost pressures will subside
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investors mustn't be complacent we have
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seen some of the world's central bankers
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acknowledge that inflationary pressures
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might be more persistent than they first
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thought
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for investors the path of inflation and
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interest rates is a crucial piece of the
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economic puzzle because the impact it
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has on investor sentiment asset prices
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and company margins
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looking forward into 2022 what are some
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of the themes you think we can expect to
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see in the markets
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we expect 2022 will be more difficult
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for investors to navigate with world
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shares almost 25 above pre-covered
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levels the easy gains are behind us
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while the tailwind of easy monetary
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policy is now a headwind as central
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banks look to reduce stimulus and raise
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policy interest rates
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as an active manager we will see
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attractive opportunities and remain
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comfortable with our investment strategy
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however returns are likely to be more
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modest volatility higher and the
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divergence between various sectors and
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companies more pronounced
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just going to disappear in a smoke so to speak so i will take us through the kadakia
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but i'm going to lay the challenge down if you're coming back tomorrow or the next day feel free to take us through it
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because i always love it when i hear someone else say it because they always sound so much better than me so let's start it off great way to start
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our um our training in our knowledge session today
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so thank you and um in case you hadn't seen it before just in the middle there to utter a quarter by the time
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commissioners out in your name um and happily it sounds a lot nicer than what we used to call of the commission for
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financial capability but um ah let's actually skip the thing here
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but uh we're the ones that run the sorted website so we're gonna look at the sorted website today uh in case
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you've never been there um sorted dot org dot nz actually i'll i'll lay out a
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question for you all just before i get into the agenda who's actually been through the sorted website and had a little faucet through just hit me in the
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chat with a big old kiss or a pour a hand up cheers mike um mike was first well done mike oh now
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everyone's trying to hit their hands up brian susan yeah awesome sam
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um oh mark you're biased you're like firmly asconded in the
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sorted website and also as well we'll touch on the
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force financial hub because the two are very complimentary uh but the great thing with the force financial hub is is
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dedicated to your good sales in the armed services um so we'll touch upon that one as well
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so three key things covering today i know it only sounds like three things but they are three big things uh why
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should we invest so just remembering why are we investing we're not we're not talking about fomo you know the old fear
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of missing out but what's our reasons is it just to get the money working a bit harder for us
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because interest rates are so low or is it too i know say for a house deposit save for
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retirement you know get us thinking about why we're investing to make sure that when we do invest we stick with it
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because that's a key thing and you'll notice we're going to talk today about the six key rules
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it's on agenda item three so there you go um the barriers to investing so what are some of the things that may actually
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have stopped us in the past or perhaps still stop us now and then tomorrow's session might be
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quite a good add-on because a lot of the feedback we get is you know can't afford it just there's other priorities those
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sorts of things so tomorrow's session might be able to actually spin forth some ideas around that and then last but
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not least the six key rules to investing and we'll delve into each one of those uh but bear in mind that some of them
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will be um pulled apart a little bit more over the coming days this week
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uh cool now susan i'm just going to lower your hand but if you did want to talk feel free to
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raise it again and i'll happily unmute you i'm just thinking you may have lift your hand up an accident so that's all good um
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oh there's my little slide normally it's at the beginning so you'll remember the mouse i think he's dressed in a christmas sweater he or she i don't know
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um if it's a hair or sheen mouse but it's a mouse um so free independent
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either for use now or way into the future it will always be free but the key is it's about giving you the
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it won't have the answers but hopefully it'll put you through a few doors in front of you to say right
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here you go this is a the ammunition need a military analogy tennis i know no
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bounds i haven't actually had anybody with a damn joke today that's uh it's quite shocking
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so the week's only done all right let's start off with the poll um i love poles because they
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bathe me in orange and i suddenly look very tan so here we go so the pole is anonymous um and it's
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just a quick simple question of which of the following assets have you invested in or are invested in
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um so you've got a through to g crypto shares managed funds property bonds kiwisaver or none of the above so let's
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see how we go let's see if we can get a hundred percent we're uh 12 32 oh bam everyone's coming through here
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oh i see the g options missing
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uh we've got eleven to go tend to go tend to go i don't know who hasn't boasted because it's completely
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anonymous i don't know so i can't single somebody out if we've only got one vote to go i keep going
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we've got six to go six to go now from experience from talking to your
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good selves before it ends in df um you're all well a lot of us seem to
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well across all the investment stuff i think you're well supported with
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the work that mark does with uh financial providers and so forth doing great deals those sorts of things
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um so we have five to go a few a couple people just joined so they're probably thinking what the
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heck's going on um all right let's end it there it's been a minute so let's just share those results
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so here we go i like this question actually because it's quite a good capture of what we're doing at the moment um so hopefully in
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the screen now you can see that this uh you know there's four of us in crypto um
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crypto in general um which is interesting a lot of us 18 out of the 29 that voted in shares
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managed funds property some big numbers coming through bonds as well which is good good to see because
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sometimes bonds are like oh what's that that sounds like a boring asset class or we get the old bonus
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bonds type uh linkage uh and last but not least 90 of us are in kiwisaver so
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the reason why we are like asking this question is kiwisaver can be invested in
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a lot of the assets that uh you know cryptoshares managed funds property upon um i know one fund manager in new
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zealand that does keem you say that it has an exposure to crypto yeah i think a lot of the fund managers
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are still out on that one but um yeah so all the other asset classes that you see um
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can actually form the bases of your own keys so just in case you were thinking you
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didn't have those assets you do all right thank you so much so
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why what actually question for you all i'm looking directly at you why invest why do you invest
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let me on the chat let's see what ideas come through and see if i can finish something
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while they come through this is water in a very nice uh i am in auckland so assault mothers drink nice
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water glasses um donna better returns yeah exactly
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uh passive earning make my money do the work love it die great one uh brian long
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term savings definitely uh oh god now you're leaving me behind here we go now better catch up well done
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everyone um ll oh maximize rather than maximise
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dj reference here that's a really bad day joke but uh thanks earl uh nikki oh nikki hey how you going um create
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passive income grow my money and just for anyone wondering passive income if you're thinking what the heck
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is that it just means that it's generating money to you without any
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effort your money's doing the work for you so you know what someone told me once think of every dollar as one little
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worker for you that can go out and generate an income so passive income is the ability to
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invest in something and it just pays you back and it can be shares where it pays a dividend it can
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be oh maybe it turned a positive or pay some interest it can be a rental property if you get some rent back
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uh or bonds if that pays a a coupon or interest payment back to you as well and
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so investments where you can put money in and pull doesn't have to be regular but paul and
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come out of it as well cool all right well we asked we've got uh darwin on my mic darwin that's it kia ora uh growing
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money for my kids education and first first home dell didn't quite get
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the last word there um yeah exactly it's it's the things that you can lay out and
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plan for and help you succeed with it as well which is brilliant uh james for a better future
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simple as that love it um mitchell money for retirement yep it's
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such a horrible word isn't it retirement just suddenly i bet the moment you say it you're going
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to end up with graveyards like me on the chin or on the side my wife we went to the 50th my wife had
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great pleasure in saying oh my god you look older than you might craig now and i'm not even 50 yet i don't know um
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money for retirement uh saving for retirement brilliant love it retirement so retirement's featuring pretty heavily
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long term security love it mark and and security is a great word because it means different things to different
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people as well um pay off the mortgage and retirement yes and that cannot be understated
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payment mortgage it's a massive achievement in itself especially with some of the mortgages flying around at
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the moment um i invest because otherwise inflation would obliterate my savings very
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positive but yeah exactly um
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yeah the inflation if you don't know what that is we'll sort of touch on it on the
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upcoming sessions um but you may have heard it it's quite high at the moment and you'll probably see it you know cost
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the petrol going to the supermarket you know uh pan of the strawberries are still
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sitting at about four bucks i mean we're entering december now and i've pulled so many strawberries off my own plants at
11:51
home thinking i'm sure they're getting riper why they're still sitting at four bucks a punnett so maybe uh cost
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pressure is there some inflation um cool yeah no good all good on that front um sweet so we've got lots and lots of
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reasons to invest um for those of us that haven't invested um
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what one of the reasons being why haven't we got to that point of investing like what are some of the
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barriers or even for the people that have invested what have been some of the barriers that stopped you originally before you got
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invested uh maybe hit me up on the chat see if i see if he could leave me behind again
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oh that's a biggie yeah thanks hannah lack of knowledge definitely um fear and no spare money yeah fear
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because i mean it's your money going to work imagine if you got it wrong completely freak out um and spare money
12:47
that's a biggie because you've got to to figure out how well in your budget how you can pull
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some money out either regularly or as a lump sum definitely definitely go to that um ll unsure how to buy shares yup
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even you know the fact that we've got the sharesies or hatch or invest now
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around um if you didn't know about them you'd still be struggling as to how you
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can actually buy some shares in your own name um lack of knowledge so two ticks of that one oh three ticks now lack of
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knowledge fear of losses definitely high knowledge for ticks no disposable income
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lots of jargon ah and definitely that's that's why we're while we're in the industry we want to jargonize it
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completely so you always have to use a financial advisor but no seriously um
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it's like you know i'm a little bit of a dehydra so if we go and buy wood from a wood supplier
13:43
it's just man they speak a whole nother language and i'm like whoa whoa whoa hang on can you break it down layman's term so i
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completely get it i guess my jargon is is a plenty um
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certain uncertain disposable income yep income fluctuations definitely lifestyle inflation that's another word
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for spending isn't it just maybe correct me if i'm wrong um want to educate myself before investing
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yeah definitely and and it's almost like an oversupply of information at the moment it doesn't look definitely
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um preference for instant gratification ah yes aka shortsightedness yes because we
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live in the now and our you know they call it liz's brains i don't know why but anyway our
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brains are wired to think about the here and now not 15 20 years into the future
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so completely agree with that die um and what we've got sam don't know where to begin there's so many options
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which one is best yes with a question mark too so it sounds like a leading question it almost sounded like guinness
14:44
which is the best one um worried i'm going to lose it yep so many opposing opinions
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definitely uh and last but not least just from brian uh learn about investing before committing yeah exactly right and
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and just on that comment um the opinions and the articles blogs the
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videos you name it it's all out there the moment you type into google or
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go or whatever search engine you use um there's millions of entries that pop up
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how to invest we need to start so it's almost like it's great having all this information
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fingertips but the fact is we just overload too much information and we can
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almost have um what is it procrastination by paralysis or something another way you don't make
15:30
a decision because you just don't know which way to go so um
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oh yes fearful and a covert climate and for a lot of you if you're in kiwis over last year sort of march and you
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know got any any kiwisaver fund that you're in you would have seen that take quite a
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quite a hit uh before there was some support limited to economies
15:55
around the world and then subtlety markets took off so yeah interesting times no thank you everyone that was really good um so
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let's delve into it so here we go um yeah ask me questions as we go along
16:08
i'll just sort of whip through this um and this is sort of investments 101 so i do excuse the um
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uh the basics of it but the reasons why it's so so good and powerful is once you know this
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you know how your kiwisaver will you know be invested um you know where
16:29
individual asset classes sit and you can see four of them on the screen and you'll know how things sort of work
16:35
which is great because then when you go out and start looking for stuff um you can start to understand oh well that
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makes that kind of save a provider of a different or that investment fund or that might be doing really well because
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it's a growth those sorts of things so one ask up any questions as we go along
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and uh happy to answer them as i as i work through this so there are four key asset classes um
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cash and bonds property and shares there is a little fifth one off to the right as well off to the right of shares and we call
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it alternative assets some fund managers use them some don't so we
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haven't put it on this graph but it is there and alternative assets can be things like
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commodities it can be hard or soft commodities so soft would be you know your oil
17:21
type thing and your hard commodities might be gold so we'll just pick on the real obvious ones um there's one manager
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as i mentioned is in crypto so that would be classified as an alternative asset just so you know uh but cash and
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bonds i might just click on this so we can see where they fit cash and bonds are what we call income assets
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and property and shares are what we call growth assets and if i use a car as an algae it's the
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easiest way to think of it is if you look at the car the income assets are like the airbags
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in your car they're there to try and you know make the journey a little bit less
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bumpy and hopefully they come into play if something really bad happens that's the
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reason why we have cash and bonds or airbags in our car
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the growth assets namely property and shares uh
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well it's like the engine in your car so the more money you put into your engine the faster your car is going to go and
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potentially the faster you get to your journey but you know if you put all your money
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into the engine and nothing into airbags if something goes wrong you're not going to be too well
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protected so you have to be prepared for the ups and downs i don't know is that a good analogy if
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that makes sense hopefully it's taken me 30 years to come up with so be kind
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um so yeah income and growth assets so think of them as two two levers
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and if you're going to be more conservative let's bring up this slide just so you can see so down the bottom if we're
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going to have more on the income side so more airbags in your car and a little engine um then you would be on the sort
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of the defensive conservative side of the page because you want to protect your money as much as possible
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and then when you go into the middle it's balanced and you can see here what lever are we pulling for balance
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the top prize for the first person to hit me on chat with what lever do do we start moving to get a balance of
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growth or aggressive which one do we start increasing
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oh waiting patiently there must be a blockage in the internet like no one's hit me yet hey
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thanks nikki yes i had to call you out because that was awesome first right so you get accolades uh shares shares or growth
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assets so you know we're going to start pulling back on the airbags putting more money into our engine because we want to you
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know enjoy the journey get there faster perhaps um or perhaps undertake a longer journey
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um so we're going to put more money into our growth allocation so you can see down the bottom here just while i look off at the other screen
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defensive conservative very very small percentages for growth assets
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through to balance starting to get like 50 50 almost sometimes a 40-60 split
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and then through the growth and aggressive where you're leaving all the defensive or income assets behind the
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airbags but you're putting more money to work in the markets through property or shares and when you start looking at
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your kiwisaver and i really really do encourage you all to do this you'll notice that a lot of your money
20:34
are really in two things bonds and shares and all the other ones like cash and
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property and alternatives uh you know maybe small percentages five maybe ten
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percent but otherwise your bonds and your shares are the big ones any questions on that
20:52
you've got that you've nailed it you've basically done uh investment 101 where we've clicked that box now
20:59
i don't think there's any questions um so just if anything comes through i'm gonna click through and show you the six key
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rules in this thing and then we're gonna actually delve into each one um we are 122 so heaps of time
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all right so here we go so first one goals remember we started the session off with y invest it's the y
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so when you know the y it makes it easier to stick with the y and it also
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makes it really easy to figure out the time horizon because it is so so important when you're trying to figure
21:30
out where to invest and how to invest so definitely uh rule number one goals
21:36
rule number two balance so that's risk versus reward trade-off airbags
21:41
versus engine income versus growth so what's the right balance for me
21:48
and we're going to look through some tools around figuring all this out the asset mix so now you all know when
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we talk about assets cash bonds property shares maybe alternatives so those are your
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assets and then within those classes and we'll delve into that a little bit um soon
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um you might get single what they call single sector asset allocation so within
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the bond you might just be in new zealand bonds or new zealand government bonds or you
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might be in um and shares might be new zealand gentiles like the uh energy
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retailers so that's what we call a sector so it's still shares but you're actually
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nutting it down to a real small sub-sector of shares in this in one
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country and in one sector as well which can be very lucrative but it also means
22:40
you're taking more risks because you're starting to limit what you're investing in as well
22:46
uh diversify so how do you spread those assets out and when it's linked to the
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asset mix how do you spread them eggs in different baskets
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research to how you can conduct your own research and i'll show you a great little tool so that you know for all of
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us that are in kiwisaver oh big shout out to our three phone call and listeners i just saw you now so um
23:09
welcome aboard um i know you don't get to see the cool pictures that i'm talking about so um hopefully you get to
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watch the recording uh in the next week or two and then at least you'll know what the heck talking about these
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bubbles and things and stuff like this so research so you know being able to sit down
23:27
figure out how well your keepsake providers doing how well the market's doing and just keeping them honest you know just making
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sure that you're in control of it because i click on kiwisaver but that was the one that could be worth tens of
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thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to us at age 65 so it's a big ticket asset that we want
23:47
to get right and be in control of that's the key uh then last but not least uh growth so leaving the money in there you
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know making sure you've got this time frame right to do with your goals and letting the money grow and letting
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time and compound growth compounded terms
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i don't think there's any questions at first but so that's good and we still got 34 people so no one's dropped off even better um so goals and i mentioned
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two things it's the why and the time frame all right so just on the screen at the moment you've got
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a an example of one but what's that five-letter acronym
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that is the most brilliant thing that dennis always raves on about and i think you do it in the nzdf as well
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uh hey love it sam just be a bit more committed next time with that question mark because if you
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just went smart you would have got a chocolate fish you would have turned up at the doorstep but because you've got a
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question i can't get chocolate fish but yes no sam perfectly right smart goals specific measurable achievable realistic
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time down um so if you're looking at doing any type of goal planning write those letters down and you know
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see if you can fill in the boxes because it'll put a framework around it and make it really importantly measurable so you
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can draw a pretty little graph you can put something on your phone so you see it every day um just to keep it keep it in
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front of you keep it current keep your focus and you can see here for this particular one it's a house deposit in six years
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and this is where the time frame is really important so six years that means when we start looking at how to get the
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airbags versus the engine balance right um we could probably take a little bit more risk we could probably you know go
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from a one liter car to a 1.5 you know something like that
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six years hundred grand so we can measure that out and you know the investments we're going to have what's
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the potential to turn how can that help we get to the hundred grand i understand to lindsay if you still
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have the uh get to a hundred thousand is it in five years mark i think it is
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mark's quickly find with keyboard and type in something i think it's still in five yes so if you
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haven't heard about that email um mark and mark will talk uh at the
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conclusion of this particular presentation and i'm sure oh actually mark if you just want to mention the email address
26:13
for inquiries through nzdf so if you haven't heard about the get to 100 grand in five years uh email that
26:20
and or there might be something on the force financial hub about it but it's fantastic it gives you a strategy to get
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to 100k because it can seem like an impossible goal
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because the numbers are so big but man when you start working through it it's very very achievable so yeah figuring
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out the why so it makes you stick with your investment decision
26:43
but also importantly the time frame because the time frame will make a big difference to how you invest your money
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in terms of that potential risk versus reward and mark's popped up the email address benefits at nzdf.nil
26:58
dot unzip um any questions on that so far because we're heading into rule two
27:04
now and look i i tell you i've done you know tertiary
27:11
qualifications on this um and done external studies done all sorts
27:18
and this this is how well not easy but how basic investments are just remembering the
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trade-offs between risk versus reward i know there's lots and lots of other noise going on in the market
27:31
but it all comes down to why are you investing what do you want out of it and what are
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you prepared to you know put at risk to help you with that journey
27:42
and that's it so all this other stuff around you know trying to time the market doesn't work time in the market
27:47
doesn't work some people get it right yes they've put it all over the internet saying they're great and guru like uh a
27:54
lot of people get it completely wrong but they're not the ones that put it out in the media so just remember these simple rules i know they sound simple
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but trust me it's what you need to know to go forth and start making your own
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sort of financial decisions so the balance between
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potential returns on the y and the sky axis i have you know that uh in the previous session one
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of the participants from nz have told me that little rule because i can never remember the x and y axis i hated
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calculus at school the y in the sky so the vertical axis is why the horizontal axis is x
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so potential returns from low to high risk from low to high as well so if i
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just click through this lovely little asset classes take a
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little while to come through there you can now see the fall that we talked about cash bond shares property
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property shares so in terms of low risk low return
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cash cash sits at the bottom so it's one of the safest assets out there
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though with inflation it's not really that safe it's a bit of a yeah great i can still see my thousand
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bucks in the bank but in five years time that might only buy me i don't know
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let's say 700 worth of stuff because the value of your money has gone down
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um even though the bank balance stays the same so that's why we don't like too much inflation
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the real absolute safest one are government bonds so if you were looking at cash this is cash in the bank
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um and if you wanted super super safe like super low risk um
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bonds or government bonds are the ones to be in but again you want super safety
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consummate with that or equal to that is super potentially super low returns as
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well uh great question here is a more risky buying investment properties in the current inflated prices market well
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that's the thing um you know there's trust me when i say i haven't been in
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this industry for 30 years i think everyone's been saying the sky is falling on investment properties for so
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long and yet it hasn't it does have blips of corrections
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um and who's to say what happens in the future we don't know so this is why it's
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so important to get the why of the investment decision right because why are you buying an investment property is it for something
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in your future retirement in 20 30 years time then you know potentially the price you
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pay now may not matter in 20 30 years time you've got to make that decision for
30:32
yourself in terms of your own circumstances i mean you could argue quite equally that
30:38
share markets are highly overvalued as well and again february march last year
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it wouldn't have been that hard to assume that the skies fall and coverts turn into a global pandemic the world
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will be affected and nobody will be able to go to work so no you're going to lose money don't go there but what have we
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seen since then it's it's actually doubled almost tripled some returns um
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and yeah there's been a bit of a blip over the weekend but again we don't know what the future holds um so trying to
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sort of certainly guess the market um can be a bit of a false error so
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hopefully it answers the question i won't call you out because you only send it to me but yeah make sure you get a good advice
31:21
and be some good information around it know the risks
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the potential returns from it and make sure you know the why that investment decision hopefully answers it
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um so bonds next rung up we'll talk about what bonds are in case you didn't know
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it gives you a little bit more of a potential return but the risk is a little bit higher
31:44
again in cash and then we're going into our engine again so remember these are our airbags income assets uh property
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a lot more risk compared to cash and bonds but potentially the return up cool
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did answer that question uh potentially returns a lot higher as well and then last but not least shares so
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you know shares is the highest potential return out of the four but also
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conversely the highest potential risk as well so hence why we need to make sure that our time frame was right
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so are there any questions because i'm just going to take you off
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the website if you haven't done already please do sign up because it just means you can save all your progress on the sorted
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website um i will just share this link in case you haven't been there i know a lot of you said you know which is
32:35
throwing it there we go so you've got the link uh the one we're going to look at is investor
32:41
kickstarter and has anyone done an investment profile
32:48
or selected their own kiwisaver fund
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and if you haven't maybe hit me with a no as well oh got some hands going up
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all right there's um a few uses and a few knows as well so
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just so you know um if you've been in kiev's over a wee while uh when you joined nzdf and it's
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the first time you joined keemstar you will be in what we call default scheme and the default scheme through ends it
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is the immerser so that that's cool that's fine at least there's been a bit of a selection process in there because
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if you have to have selected mercer as um oh that's cool that's cool sarah that's
33:36
right get into that one um have selected mercer as a good provider um and so
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forth and mark can talk to that um and so the um
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so if you joined nzdf but you already had keemsaver and you're you've never
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selected who you're with then you're in a default fund and you might be with a whole bunch of
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uh what we call default providers and that's going to change on wednesday so
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that they'll whittle down the default providers um and now there's a whole well some are being renewed and there's
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a couple new ones um but you will be in what we call a conservative fund if you're in the old
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default stand prior to joining in the gear okay so that's the key if you join nzda
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and it's your first key in server you'll be in default but you'll be in a default balance
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because they made the great decision that you know people that don't choose should be in balance because if you've
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left it alone that's going to give you the best opportunity long term for your investments uh what's mark written here
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this month's informed investor magazine features several articles on the pluses and minuses by investment properties in
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new zealand brilliant thanks mark um so yes just got sidetracked so if you
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haven't selected your investor profile it's not too late so the tool i'm just going to quickly
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show you now is an investor profile or risk tolerance questionnaire um it asks you nine
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questions that's all nine questions and answer them as honestly as you can see them here um
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ask for your age see this important point about time horizon how long have you got your
35:15
preparedness it's really important i do love this questionnaire i know i might be biased but it is a good one i'm a financial
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advisor in my own right and this question there is the best one i've seen because it doesn't just ask
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you about the page what would you be happy uh putting at risk it also asks you how prepared you are are you an
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optimist or pessimist how are your job prospects because they all can play
35:41
around with our attitudes or our ability to stick to the business um so once you've answered those you'll come out as
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one of them and funnily enough they match what we've been talking about so let's just say a score is balanced
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it gives you a little donut graph to show you how your income and growth assets should be
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invested so just give your guide and importantly an impartial guide for that
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um it gives you the suggested time frame so
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here's one important thing that i do like to mention is for all of you that are in um
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a conservative fund or even a defensive fund because someone has told you to go
36:26
into it because you said i'm going to buy a house in the next couple of years and they say oh you should be a
36:31
conservative just show you that yes conservative is very safe compared to oppressive
36:39
but there is still the ability for it to lose money so if
36:44
keeping your deposit that's in kiwi savings that'll be your first time buying
36:49
is really really important that you don't lose anything on it and conservative um look at the time frame
36:55
four to five years so if you're in conservative and someone said go into that because you might need
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it in a year or two time then i would be picking up the phone again and have that conversation because
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you can see quite clearly on screen at the moment you want to try and leave it for at least four to five years now i
37:12
don't know if you've noticed but over the last couple of months you may have seen a negative return
37:18
on your conservative kiwisaver or your conservative investment and we'll talk about why that
37:24
would be a second um and you can see if we open this up to say aggressive
37:32
look at that all blue is pretty much shares and you can see here our time frame has now gone out to 13 years now time frame
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is not about getting it exactly right that if you're in 13 years you're going to come out through in the money it's
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more about acknowledging that because you've got so much in growth markets hopefully you've worked through a full
37:52
business cycle so a full boom and bust and recovery cycle to get the benefit of that time frame
37:59
it's not 100 right we like to say that you would get that
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return most of the time which means 95 90 to 95 of the time it should sit
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between negative eight to plus 25 but you know sometimes it goes horribly
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wrong and you can sit either in the money plus 30 plus 40 percent other times you might be like negative
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15 negative 20 percent or like pandemic when it first hit negative 30 percent in
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share markets so very very important so if you haven't done a risk profile then i definitely definitely say do the investor toolkit
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see how you score and then compare it to your kiwisaver is anyone going to use that tool
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awesome darwin love it now because i gave you an awesome kia ora and then now you're just emphatically hitting the
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first of the list um oh hannah's as well ll yes sarah
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james cool great love it all right so diversify here we go so again through all my studies this is
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going to be explained to you in two minutes and you will know exactly what i know about specification uh without
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having to do all the studies so that that is brilliant so here we go remember our four key asset classes
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cash so diversification is about spreading it all right or putting eggs in different
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baskets so you could well just have all these investments in new
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zealand cash in new zealand bonds in new zealand property new zealand shares in new zealand
39:34
that would be one way to the first fight because you've got it across four but we're actually going to start going from
39:39
four to other levels to diversify so
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new zealand is cash in new zealand what you wouldn't want cash in other countries
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because that's playing the currency and nobody knows about currency and you can't get it right so cash stays
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in new zealand here's the first level of diversification so on the top right you can see new zealand and offshore so
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bonds would be new zealand and offshore usually
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unless you go into a what as i mentioned a simple sector um but new zealand bonds
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can be corporate bonds which are around company
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debt and we'll talk about that in a second or sovereign debt which is government bonds um so that can be um
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well it's only we only have one government um our government bonds or it could be council bonds as well because
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uh what we call quasi government all right so you can sort of see that we've started diversify that out of that now
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and then for corporate debt um you might instead of having it all in one company because the risk of losing
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money in a bond can be quite high because it's not something that um it's not like a share where you've
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got maybe hundreds of thousands of shares on ultra you've got your bottle a
40:58
parcel of money in a bond and if you put ten thousand dollars into
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i don't know some roofing company that said yeah yeah give us your money um because you're
41:09
lending it to them and i'll explain what bond is in a second and they went bust they've lost 10 grand
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just like that the whole lot of that money is gone so it's really important to spread that
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out so as an example in corporate debt you might have some of the fishermen parkour uh you might have someone from
41:26
ontario you might have another 20 30 names in new zealand just to make sure that
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not all exposed to one company or one sector so a bond in case you're wondering
41:39
is it's like a debt so or a loan i should say so if i had ten thousand dollars and um
41:47
let's say fischer and paikal said dennis we want your 10 grand we need it for
41:54
five years but because we're borrowing it off you and you want to return we'll pay you a little bit more than the bank
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so we might give you five percent so i agree to give fisher and parker my ten thousand
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dollars for five years and they agree to pay me five percent interest every six months
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and at the end of the five years i'll get back my ten thousand dollars um
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great question bernice i'll answer that one second um so the
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the danger of this and this is to denise's question about our bonds unsecured
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is that it's it's a loan so if that company official enticle went fast
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and they had no assets to sell and nothing was available i've lost 10 grand
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it's it's gone so it's not it is semi secured in there
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but if you look at um they talk about rankings of um
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secured and unsecured so it'll go through iod as top of the picking list iod gets their money first whatsoever
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right so there's no writing id id is first and foremost then you've got um any bank guaranteed debt linked
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securitized type get then you start going through the change by shareholders and
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uncommitted wages and salary bond holders are sort of down here right down the bottom so to speak so yes
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if you're going into bonds you want to make sure that you're invested with safe companies or companies that can pay the
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money back which is quite interesting because if you look at bonds they're our airbags so man that sounds
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like a lot of risk so it's very important that when you're invested with a kiwisaver manager
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whoever it might be or buying bonds that yes there's a security of repayment i.e
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the company is good for it and b you're getting recognized for the risk
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so if you are going to give your money to a very you know i don't know uh dodgy company
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so to speak you'll want your interest return to be sky high because you want to know
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you're going to get enough recompense from enough um
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what's the word word escapes me but enough of a return to recognize the risk you're taking
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um so yeah so that's that's how that gets diversified and this will be at work in your kiwisaver
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um and then government debt because there's only one government in new zealand
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can be diversified by different terms so it might be a you know one year two year five a three
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year five-year tenure and then they can diversify with that
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and i'll just click through here and then i'll explain quickly why if you're in a very safe fund why you've seen
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negative returns um actually just go back one so bonds
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are interest rates okay so when you buy one you get an interest rate
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if interest rates go up from when you bought it it can look like your bond is losing
44:57
money because interest rates are more or higher so on paper it looks like you've lost
45:02
money on the flip side when interest rates drop and you've bought higher it can actually look like you've made more
45:09
money so when you're starting to see your kiwisaver statements and it's come up negative two percent for september
45:17
it's because the bonds we've bought at a certain interest rate and interest rates have risen
45:22
and it means that on paper when it gets valued it's made a
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a loss so to speak and hence why you see a negative return and if you needed that house deposit out at that point in time
45:35
you will take a hit so that's why i always always always like to say if you're in a conservative
45:41
fund or even defensive and you need to settle the house in the next two three years just ask the question to make sure
45:47
you're in the right fund because you can have losses um
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oh mark just hit us with new zealand government drone uh bonds dropped 3.3 in october sorry it should be dropped yep
45:59
no good um here's a question is there a difference between coupon and yield
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there is so coupon is what your what you buy so a coupon just i i like to think
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of it as like a shop coupon it'll tell you what the what the price is so that's what you're going to buy it at so if the
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coupon says 5 you're going to get a return of 5 the only thing that changes is if you
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buy it after it's been released then they then talk about a yield
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so to the person ask a question because they just sent it to me so i can't say the name if interest rates have gone up
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um the yield you can either buy what we call a discount or a premium
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so the yield can be higher or lower than the coupon i know we're getting
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into detailed stuff but the simple rule with bonds is provided the company's all
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good if interest rates go up then chances are your bond may have actually
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dropped in value or is being sold at a discount because you have to entice people to buy that money
47:07
when they can get a higher return out in the market and on the flip side if interest rates drop
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it's sold at a premium because you actually need to be enticed to sell it so you can make a little bit more money
47:20
on it because you then have to go and find a higher interest rate to offset it
47:27
hopefully that answers your question on that and then mark's comment around government bonds have dropped three percent that's a massive drop that's
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that's a that's like a loss than capital value uh from government bonds and
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that's because interest rates were so low and then they took a big jump up when inflation came out and suddenly it looks
47:46
like it lost a bit of money um all right property new zealand offshore so again um property assets not
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residential but it could be infrastructure um could be retail industrial
47:58
office uh all those sorts of things and again it's not just new zealand it's also offshore
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and then if i just click through on shares it all comes up at once new zealand offshore and then i think you can see my
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mouse but you can see we're now into individual sectors so there's a telco sector banking sector
48:17
offshore will be different countries and then you'll find that there's a banking sector offshore
48:22
in the us telco sector and u.s and the same for different countries and then within the telco sector with
48:29
different companies so by the end of it if you were to list every single investment that your kiwisaver manager
48:35
has you could be in the realms of 100 hundreds of companies if not a thousand
48:42
thousands of companies and the reason for that is that on a very high level if new zealand had
48:48
the worst happen like a housing crash and foot mouth breakout our dollar would plummet you know
48:55
investment new zealand will be very hard to make because you want a decent return for the risk so having money offshore is
49:02
a way of protecting against that and then on the other side of it if we looked at if you put all your money into
49:08
vodafone and vodafone suddenly fell over and failed you haven't lost everything
49:14
you've got money in different sectors at work as well so that's a way of just spreading that risk
49:21
out hopefully that makes sense and to the person who asked about the difference between coupon yield did that answer the question hopefully
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so you can see four layers i did cool brilliant um you can see four layers so we've got the asset classes
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we've got new zealand offshore you can see that is it um what sectors are we
49:41
going in or is it private or government debt or sovereignty then last but not least individual
49:47
companies um so and the last thing that's at work here as well is currency so we're not
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all the new zealand dollars but also in u.s dollars or japanese yen or
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australian dollars those sorts of things um all right so research now just a question before i quickly
50:05
whip into it um has anyone sort of conducted their own research to
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find their own kiwisaver and those sorts of things
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hello yes mark yes jonathan yes yes yes yes okay cool
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did anyone that said yes use the smart investor oh manage funds rather than chaos cool
50:33
does anyone use the smart investor tool which i'm just going into now
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yep okay that is cool i knew what you meant um so i'm just going to quickly show you
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this because i know we're pushing the time here but um i really really encourage you to use this
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um when you've got 5-10 minutes uh you can see here that you can use it for managed
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funds or kiwisaver i'll just quickly show you tv saver
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now i know full well um that you know it's only an hour so we will be around us for some questions so
51:08
if you've got questions answers feel free to stick around just ask me mark's on paul as well marx our expert
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benefits so i'll just pick growth here we save it and it's automatically going to start updating
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and you'll see here there are 68 kiwisaver funds in the growth category
51:33
now if you look at scroll down a little bit you'll see a little sort by list so in the sort list there are growth
51:38
assets low to high high to low so if you want to really generate good returns over the long term you probably want to
51:45
know who invests the most and most in growth assets in your engine uh you can do low to higher fees you can do load a
51:52
high return and last but not least if you want to find your own team say provided you can do an alphabetical order a to z or z
51:59
anyone want me to focus on one put me on the chat now you know first one through and i'll click it
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let's see who's the quickest type is oh i can't pick out nurse die cause i have to go through the alphabetical
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thing um fees returns or assets sorry die i
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should have clarified that my bad
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please okay cool um all right so actually we'll do high speeds because this is quite interesting because you'll
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see that so all you do is click higher speeds and
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this is about giving you the tools to be able to just check in with your kiwisave provider and make sure you know you're happy with it
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so you can see here new zealand funds life cycle age 65 kiwisaver
52:49
well um is the asset mix is 7822
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so it's not stupidly aggressive but it's not real growth but it is still growth uh
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but they charge 3.07 when the average is 1.48 so double the
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average so if they paying double the fees then man you want are they doing all right on
53:12
the returns front and actually so this return here is for the last five
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years per annum after tax rp so they have returned 8.66
53:25
neta fees net attacks per annum for the last five years uh but the average and the growth space
53:31
has been 9.16 so you're paying double the amount of fees
53:37
and you're generating the uh an average return that is less than
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the market average so your question would be to that provider well what am i paying for
53:48
returns go up and down all the time but you want to be sure that they're actually giving you your value for money
53:54
because every bit of return that you pay extra there's money in the back pocket
54:00
that's been taken away so the more you can save on that and then if we went to lowest fees
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now um just as a bit of a disclaimer here um
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the fees are worked out on a balance of ten thousand dollars so that's why simplicity doesn't show as the cheapest
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so if you went down you'll see simplicity is over
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well it's after the next year um just in case you're wondering but uh you can see
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here the cheapest growth fund kiwisaver is juno 0.47 don't be alarmed if you
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don't see the five-year data it just means that the fund hasn't been around for five years uh but if you were to
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scroll down there we go bnz keeping saver point six of a percent
54:50
versus 3.1 so and their return was higher than the
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average as well so a you're saving what two and a half percent per year in fees which is a lot of money over a lifetime
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uh and your return is above average so yeah and that's bnz so you can scroll
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through this really really quickly scroll through this and explore through this um and actually do the research
55:14
on your provider which is pretty cool um if you've got questions about that home
55:19
to the end and then we'll happily answer them as well um so rule number six
55:25
three minutes to go nothing like last minute um it's growing your mother's this is the quick powerful demonstration of
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um time in the market rather than trying to time it
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so we've got lee may here up on our left who at the age of 19
55:44
started work but decided not to contribute to her savings until she was 26. now from 26 she started putting in
55:52
two grand a year she did that religiously to 65 all right
55:57
2 000 a year and you can see here quite easily it's a 10 return so yes it's quite high
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but the example is relative it doesn't matter what the return is it's about what you contribute and when okay so
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just bear that mind don't worry about the 10 percent but you can see from lee mae that she's put in 80 000 over that time frame
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it has returned her that grew to 890 uh sorry 973 000
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so the net earning is the difference between 973 and the money she put in so it's 8.93 so her
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money increased 11 fold all good so if we compare that to moana so moana
56:37
and li may left school best friends at the same time she decided that age 19 to put in two
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thousand dollars um oh sorry 1819. either 109.98 uh and
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then stopped after 25th birthday so she put in 2 000 and then didn't put in anything else
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same return but then you can see down here oh yeah but wanna did um save a little bit
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less and that's how it should be 944 versus 973.
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but here's the key so she only put in a total of thousand dollars so a lot smaller amount
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for a lot shorter time frame but was invested for longer and her money returned 930 000 31 000 so
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her money grew 66 fold so it's about the time that you can give
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your money in an investment it doesn't matter what the investment is but the time you can give it
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before you take it back out again to allow it to grow and that's uh the lee main one itself is
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just a very quick and easy example on that yes i know 10 percent is very high
57:47
like i say it's a relative example and it in saying that that's probably why it's also really really important
57:53
getting our investor profile right and the fun that we're in because if you're in kiwisaver and you've got 30 years
58:00
into retirement you probably don't want to be in a conservative fund because you're giving up that potential return
58:06
over the next 30 years yeah sure it'll be a nice safe journey
58:11
but imagine the difference in money what what it could provide you with so yeah
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so action plan um research managed funds i've been using this sort of tool those sorts of things definitely write this stuff down
58:24
because you've got to commit to it get it underway even you might be doing it now while i'm talking you got bored
58:30
with me and just gone off and done your own research already which would be absolutely awesome but just make sure
58:35
you commit to it to make things happen so is there anything out of today while i quickly
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paste the feedback link that you think damn i'm going to do that that sounded
58:47
absolutely awesome yes absolutely invigorated me to go and do that so um
58:52
i am just going to pop a link up and then hopefully we'll answer some questions and also
59:00
get your feedback about what you're going to do now the survey link um please please please complete it it's
59:07
anonymous i've just pasted it on the chat uh but it just asks you if the session hit the mark against what he was talking
59:14
about um and also because it's really important because nzdf wants to know that we're actually presenting stuff
59:20
that you might be um interested in um and yeah can we improve
59:26
it somehow so i'm back over to you and you can
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all yours hey um look thank you very much for that dennis that was a really good session and welcome everyone i hope
59:37
you enjoyed it and as dennis mentioned at the beginning of the session we've got four more that we're running this
59:42
week so please do attend those because you'll find each of them go into this in
59:47
a bit more detail and uh fridays one of course is the one on shares which a lot of people appear to be interested in
59:54
and just in terms of some things that have been raised during the session so in terms of resources we've actually put together a resources guide there's a lot
1:00:00
of information out there some of it's free and some of it you can actually buy but at a cheap price so
1:00:06
anyone who wants a copy of the resources guide i we update it every month and a
1:00:11
half so please just email benefits at ncdf.mil.nc anyone wants the resources
1:00:16
guide and we can send it to you um within defence we actually have now 93 of defence members are contributing
1:00:24
to kiwisaver the dfss the ssrss manage funds like
1:00:30
that and that's really good um and all of those people um every year are
1:00:35
now getting some uh really powerful information to help with their planning so i do urge everyone please whether
1:00:42
they belong to our schemes or whatever other kiwisaver scheme they may belong to do check your member statements that
1:00:48
are sent to you normally in about may of each year and for members of the ncdf kiwisaver
1:00:53
scheme and the dfss there's some really powerful information there to help with your planning and i
1:00:59
do everyone to have a look at it i think as of the last check we had about 70 percent of our members had actually
1:01:05
looked at their member statements which was really good but that means 30 haven't and so as i
1:01:12
said there's some really powerful information there so please please do take the opportunity to have a lot
1:01:17
um just a reminder for members of the dfss category a in category c
1:01:22
you would have all have received a separate letter advising you you they you're actually entitled to a free financial plan provided by our financial
1:01:30
advice service milestone direct limited and so i um i think for me every uh as
1:01:36
of last week we've had about 200 people so far registered for that out out of
1:01:41
about 300 people 3 000 people who are eligible um and so please if you haven't
1:01:47
registered do so it's free to you and it's available over
1:01:52
the next four years and so we'll continue to plug it because a financial plan is a critical tool i think at
1:01:59
everyone's toolbox everyone needs to have a financial plan at some stage during their life um and so
1:02:05
for for a whole a lot of historical reasons there's some money in the reserve accounts for the cat and the cat
1:02:11
see that we're able to use to provide a financial plan for those members so please do something about it
1:02:17
um in terms of the sorted site uh which is a really tremendous site and i do encourage everyone to have a look at it
1:02:24
they won't actually make reference to the nzdf kiwisaver scheme or the dfss and the reason for that being is that
1:02:30
our schemes are actually open to mems of the defence community but they're not open to the general
1:02:35
population so you won't see our schemes mentioned there but you will see the mercer schemes now mercer is our
1:02:42
actually our fund manager and so whilst there's a difference in the fee structure if you have a look at
1:02:48
the mercer product within the sorted site it'll give you an indication of where they sit in terms of the ranking
1:02:54
both in terms of fees and performance we are making some further changes to the fee structure for the ncaa kiwisaver
1:03:00
scheme in the dfss and those changes will apply from the first of april
1:03:06
and you'll see there's a further reduction in fees reflecting those changes that have been
1:03:11
been approved and i always use the analogy of a three-legged stall that when you're looking at a scheme yes you look at
1:03:17
performance that's a very important factor yes you look at fees that's a very important factor but you also look
1:03:23
at the issue around the benefits and services that are also provided by the scheme hence the analogy of a
1:03:29
three-legged stall and i think it's critical that you look at all three things together and look at
1:03:34
what we provide with our schemes for the membership and um and so again you'll
1:03:40
get you'll get information on that through the force financial hub and of course in terms of investments and things like that we have our financial
1:03:45
advice service milestone direct limited and they also have a lot of information on investments on their site as well um
1:03:53
i actually got something sent through last night because i'm one of their subscribers
1:03:58
and they sent through something about 8 30 last night they came through an investment some interesting material and
1:04:04
things so again that's provided free to anyone who wants to register for that and it's also available on the milestone
1:04:10
site that's accessed either through their own website or um
1:04:15
the force financial hub so questions come up scott to everyone when are they making the first of the
1:04:21
four contributions of the canton cat sea schemes that was made on the twenty of the war august so if you go into your uh your member
1:04:28
account for the scheme you'll see that there was a contribution win on that stage and the next one will be made august next year
1:04:35
and and each of the subsequent to the years after that so thank you very much uh happy i'll
1:04:41
stay on the line with with dennis and happy to uh answer any questions until queries that people may have
1:04:48
thanks mark well i think the question's been quite light come on challenge us
1:04:54
we can't give you advice but at least hopefully hit us with some questions otherwise we'll we can wrap it up and uh
1:05:01
quite happily i'll go jump out in the sunshine uh justif in terms of we have a um
1:05:08
a monthly report that goes up on the force financial hub that shows the returns for for our schemes for the
1:05:14
um dfss the nz keeps overscan the internet flexi saver scheme and it breaks down
1:05:20
port by portfolio and it also breaks it down by pir pir is the
1:05:26
the tax rate at which your returns are taxed because grant robertson needs every cent he can lay his hands on
1:05:32
and so um your money is um you'll be able to see
1:05:37
the returns on that and for those of you who belong to other schemes if you have a look at the the account for your schemes most of
1:05:43
them will probably have a monthly report or something like that that also shows the returns for yours for your scheme
1:05:50
there's a lot of information out there and the financial markets authority which is the regulatory watchdog that
1:05:55
has oversight of all managed funds including keep your saver funds they're putting more demands on the
1:06:02
fund providers in terms of transparency and and accurate and clear information that uses uh jargon free language and
1:06:09
all that sort of stuff as well so you'll see there's a lot of resources and a lot of information out there to help people with their planning and just in terms of
1:06:17
giving them a bit of guidance around um investments and things like that
1:06:22
i think some other questions have come up around flexi saver and stuff hang on let me have a look yeah that's six
1:06:27
should a six year old open a kiwisaver or a saving account i.e flex is over um
1:06:35
data you want to answer that yeah sure i'm happy to provide a response but i'm just conscious yeah
1:06:41
well i'll do my bit and then you can hit with your response if you're on because you know flips this over in and out um and
1:06:47
it and it probably goes to ll's question as well around should we be getting our kids into kiwisaver now basements
1:06:54
um i think it's a using kiwisaver for you know a child that's just born for their first time
1:07:01
might be a little bit sort of dangerous because we don't know what the rules might be in 20 30 years time when they
1:07:07
want to buy but if you're looking at using kiwisaver as a vehicle for saving long term for
1:07:13
your child some daughter whatever it might be then yeah it's a fantastic opportunity
1:07:19
to put some money in add to it each birthday or something whatever it might be
1:07:25
and just let that bubble away and then i think you know just me personally on a psychological emotional sense thinking
1:07:31
at age 18 being able to go to my child and say okay turn 18. here's your
1:07:36
kiwisaver that i set up here's some tools that you can use to you know change provider do the things you want
1:07:43
to do with it whatever it might be it's yours and it's quite a powerful
1:07:49
message to give or you know from some other people been saying doing it earlier in their child's life so that they get
1:07:55
acquainted with investments and so forth uh but just be a little bit cautious around um setting
1:08:02
this up for the first time because we don't know if that rule will stick in 20 to 30 years time
1:08:08
and that and that's a really powerful um incentive for people to do it the downside and there is a downside around
1:08:15
kiwisaver is the rules are very prescriptive about when you can actually access the funds and things
1:08:20
so what's what we see is we have a number of people who've actually set up flexi saver accounts for their kids with
1:08:27
a view being that they're actually putting some money in each pay and they're building up an education
1:08:32
fund for the kids so the kids get to 18 they either decide to go off to university or to do apprenticeship or
1:08:37
something like that they need a bit of money to fund that and they can actually take the money out then to fund their
1:08:43
education or training whatever it's going to be you can't do that using a kiwisaver fund
1:08:49
the other thing about kiwisaber is you can't use kiwisaver to buy investment properties
1:08:55
but you can actually use flexisaver to buy by that
1:09:01
and so one of the scenarios i know our financial advice service talks about is that for many of our people who are
1:09:08
posted to auckland as an example it's getting more and more of a challenge for them to buy a house in auckland where
1:09:13
they actually live but you could actually use flexisaver funds to buy a house as an example and
1:09:19
say the hawke's bay or taranaki or somewhere like that where houses house prices are lower than they are in
1:09:25
auckland you don't actually live in the house yourself but you are able to get onto the property ladder and you use
1:09:31
someone's else's rent to actually pay your mortgage um and pay all the costs associated with with um owning a house
1:09:38
so whilst you haven't been able to get into the property ladder in auckland you've actually been able to get onto the property ladder elsewhere in the
1:09:45
country and what you're doing is you're using your flexi saver funds to do that rather than
1:09:50
um kiwisaver funds because flexisaver there's there's far less prescription around how you use your funds
1:09:57
cool thanks mark yeah because it's about flexibility and choice that's that's the key isn't it yeah yeah um
1:10:04
ian asked why didn't simplicity show um i was just going to scroll down and show you that is because
1:10:10
when they um had to work this calculator out they had to work on my assumed minimum
1:10:16
balance of ten thousand dollars to make everything sort of work together nicely um but if i
1:10:23
find where is it
1:10:37
it's right down the bottom um because it hasn't been going for five years either that's that's the other
1:10:43
thing you're not going to see a five-year return i don't think oh there it is simplicity there we go
1:10:48
0.5 but if you look at the fees um that's the reason um so to your question
1:10:55
ian if you had 10 000 in this fund so i know simplicity works on a
1:11:01
you know you start off with zero balance so the fees are a lot cheaper but it just compares it at ten thousand dollars minimum across the
1:11:08
board for everyone from different kiwisaver managers of different ways of charging fees
1:11:13
but that's why and it's actually probably a great question to to show the fact that
1:11:19
regardless of the marketing that can go on in the marketplace to say oh we're the cheapest we're we're the most
1:11:25
passive or we're the most active this is a great little tool to just quickly do a
1:11:30
common sense check to make sure that what you're hearing is exactly what's actually appearing because all
1:11:36
this information is prepared through the from the providers to the financial markets authority
1:11:42
to sorted so it's not it has to be 100 correct it's all audited and 100 correct
1:11:48
which means there's no sort of fudging or getting away with things had a question here now hang on just
1:11:55
before you go past that you've introduced two concepts that you haven't actually referred to earlier today
1:12:01
yep uh which is the difference between an active and a passive fund because that actually has has a significant
1:12:07
impact on the fees so when you look at a fund like simplicity which is a passively matted
1:12:14
fund you're not comparing apples with apples when you look at a scheme like the nzb of kiwisaver scheme which is an actively
1:12:20
managed fund um and so there is a there is a difference and it is a significant difference in the and the philosophy and
1:12:27
the approach and everything else and hence why the fees tend to be cheaper for passive funds than they are for
1:12:32
actively managed funds yeah that's a good point and i think we talked about that one in
1:12:39
investing strategy on wednesday so there you go yeah um but it's a great point thanks mark um i had a question come in
1:12:46
uh if i was elected to have some more money in high risk investment and then start a family so change to a
1:12:52
conservative fund is the return from the high risk investment invested with me uh when i change and yes it did make sense
1:12:59
um so just just think of it as you having a basket of goods and on the day
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you want to make that change that basket of goods might be worth 100 bucks right and when you say oh
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i don't actually want that much now i want to know that i've got some money in my bank if you sold that basket of goods
1:13:16
for 100 bucks put the money in your bank you've got 100 bucks so if you go from a high growth
1:13:22
to a conservative you're pulling that money away from the growth lever or the engine and putting
1:13:29
it into your airbag so yes you do um what we call it crystallize so you
1:13:35
crystallize your gains or your losses and put them into something else so yes
1:13:42
you do get to keep what you've earned but bear in mind whatever you put it in we'll talk about
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kiwisaver these are always investments that can still go up and down
1:13:54
but going from a high growth or aggressive to a defensible conservative
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you would like to think that you're not going to be impacted by massive swings and value so yes hopefully that
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answers your question i can't say your name because you just sent it to me just just if i could just interrupt dennis
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i've just got the latest returns for the ncdf kiwisaver scheme for for the
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month of october um and um for the five years because remember this is a long-term investment
1:14:24
so you should always look at the five-year returns rather than just what's happened over the last month or anything else but they if you if you've got someone in
1:14:31
a high growth fund which i think is what our friends talking about then for the 28 pir for the five years the average
1:14:39
return has been 10.2 after deduction of fees and taxes by contrast someone who's got their
1:14:46
money in the conservative fund the returns have been 3.5 for each of the last five years and the moderate fund uh
1:14:53
returns a 4.9 percent for each of the last five years so you will be making you will be having a significant impact
1:15:00
impact on your longer term returns potentially if you change from a more
1:15:05
aggressive to a more conservative investment setting but then today it's your course what you've got to be
1:15:10
comfortable with ultimately where where do you have your money invested yeah definitely i had a great question as
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well oh my person here thank you for that answers that's good um thanks as well mark um do you think there's such a
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thing as over diversification well yeah yeah
1:15:27
the analogy i'll use is like a seesaw right you have a fulcrum point in the middle so you can pivot up or down all
1:15:33
right that's what makes sea sauce fun but if you think of diversification as you know little fulcrum points along
1:15:40
etsy sort you're not going to get much of a pivot are you if you have more and more points across that plank
1:15:47
so there is the potential that you could be invested in all sorts of things
1:15:52
um and the whole um oh no worries luz um i'll call you out
1:15:58
because it's nothing worse than having computer problems so hopefully watch the recording back and uh that'll hopefully
1:16:03
fill in some of the gaps you've encountered due to i.t issues so yeah so the thing with
1:16:10
diversification is because you're putting your eggs in different baskets some of those baskets will go up in
1:16:16
value some of those baskets will go down in value and the concept being you know
1:16:21
sometimes it doesn't quite work that way but on average it does that if share markets are going up
1:16:28
then on this side of things it may not be going as well but on the flip side of share markets get really really volatile
1:16:34
and go down then this side might be doing better so it's a way to average out
1:16:41
your returns but more importantly it's about making sure that you're not putting all your
1:16:47
eggs in one basket and if you get that basket wrong losing all your money so
1:16:53
we refer to it as the best free lunch and you know there's every time the
1:16:59
markets sort of fall about and drop people start questioning whether or not it works
1:17:05
but you know in the us as an example they have what they call the four percent withdrawal rule
1:17:11
i saw an article saying it needs to drop down to 3.3 but let's let's just say four percent um because on average a mix
1:17:18
of uh sixty percent uh bonds forty percent shares
1:17:24
will be able to get you there over the long term um regardless of what
1:17:29
individual assets are doing so i think me personally oh nowhere his love's all good
1:17:34
me personally yes i think there is the ability to over diversify but i think if you're trying
1:17:40
to manage your risk for the long term i don't think you can do too badly investing in you know those
1:17:46
four asset classes getting different companies so across across the defence schemes we've got nine portfolios and
1:17:53
the returns for the last 12 months range from 0.3 for cash to 40.4
1:18:01
for overseas shares in the local currency so again as dennis is highlighted there's a there's a ride a
1:18:07
wide range of um returns and coming with the risks that are actually
1:18:13
associated with it now the last uh 18 months have been extraordinary months and so we're not necessarily
1:18:18
going to see those returns delivered in the future but nonetheless there's been some pretty robust returns but also some
1:18:25
media returns for things like interest you know cash fixed interest and all that sort of thing
1:18:30
yeah and just um to the last point as well if you look at the um some of the indices
1:18:36
they talk about on the news so the dow jones s p 500 so i'll pick on the s p 500 that's 500 companies the 500 largest
1:18:45
companies in the us so okay do you buy an index the s p 500
1:18:50
and no you've got 500 companies or do you then try and figure out okay what's my best companies out of that 500 and
1:18:57
that's when a lot of us that are you know we've got day jobs trying to figure out oh
1:19:03
what's top ten really i mean you know not so long ago you would have put kodak in the top 10
1:19:09
of your investments uh or perhaps enron now i don't if if you're all too young to know kodak and
1:19:15
enron kodak invented the digital camera and put themselves out of business so they were all based on film
1:19:22
and their share prices enron fudged the books and went completely bust so you know
1:19:29
buying a good range or a good selection of companies on a share market is a good way to protect yourself against the
1:19:36
unknown so just as a bit of a cap off so hopefully it answers your question about
1:19:41
over diversification all right anyone else we're still here
1:19:48
i miss these days mark well it's been it's been a couple i was not worried every time i see you didn't you got your hand banned and stuff maybe you've been
1:19:54
having another fight with a knife oh that was a skill saw oh
1:20:01
not the blade though it was just the edge but it cuts a lot of wood it just happened it's
1:20:06
old man hands of my skin's just a great job the last time i saw you i think you had
1:20:12
it you'd had a fight with a kitchen knife so uh probably probably yeah and i keep knocking it as well yeah um
1:20:20
all right well i don't think there's any questions so i think we're done there so what i'm going to do if i just stop the
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recording okay

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there you go um all right someone just told me they have to leave it 1 55 to join another
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meeting that's fine obviously that meeting is much more exciting right now all good
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i'm completely confident that uh today we will be able to get the
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session done um and you know potentially have some questions as well so i'm a cure to all
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my name's dennis sedel i'm a facilitator for te ara ohana ora retirement
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commission and i'd just love to welcome you back i do run quite a few for nzf from the old
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webinar so and as i said before i do love presenting to you guys and girls because
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we get lots of great questions on hand we have mark williamson as well who is the
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benefits manager with the nzdf so you know you can ask any curly question
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obviously we can't give you personalized advice but we should be able to answer those questions either by way of what i know
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or mark's expertise as well so we've been able to answer those questions
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um now i don't know if you've noticed on the chat there is a
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pdf download it's called learn to invest series
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now that pdf is the workbook for these series so obviously yesterday was an introduction
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to investing today we're going to be talking about making room for investing uh tomorrow we're talking about
1:33
investment strategies and then um thursday we're doing optimizing your
1:40
investments and it all culminates on friday with getting started with shares
1:45
and the reason why that one's come about is you have these platforms now where you know you can effectively invest with
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five bucks a week so you know just getting you started making sure you're aware of the risks
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where to find information we're not going to give you uh companies that you buy so bear that
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in mind but we want to be able to empower you all with the ability to go forth make
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your own sort of investment decisions from there so hopefully everyone can see that on the
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chat uh let me know if you don't and i'll make it available um sort of during when i've got a bit of downtime like
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perhaps when they're watching the video or something uh so welcome we're now at 24 uh which is good oh we've got one new
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message here what have we got here uh we cannot find i knew that would happen um
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so let's have a look here if i can click to download that
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and i need to save it so bear with me you're all going to be a witness to me concentrating on trying to save this
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and i think i yeah what it means is that any i'll
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we'll download it actually what we will do is
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okay i'm just going to share this again with my desktop
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all right hopefully this all works so from me now you should have a learn to invest series pdf ready to go
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can someone just give me a quick shout out to say yes i can see it and all you need to do is click down ah
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cool great all right um so what i'll do is uh later on excuse the delay because i've had to concentrate where it's
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clipping later on i'll make that link available again because if anyone joins a little bit late they won't see that
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link so cool you've got it all there feel free to you know download it it's a
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pdf so depending on your program you'll be able to use a pdf editor to
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fill in the blanks but effectively it's it's almost copying the slides so if you
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want to get ahead of what the presentation is you'll know what we're going to be talking about which sort of spoils are surprisingly but that's all
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cool um now if the case anyone wants to say something out loud feel free to hit the raise hand button
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every time i say that there's always one that hits the raising hand button by accident um or alternatively use the
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chat and as i mentioned you can send a message just to me as hosts and panelists or to everyone so if you want
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everyone to see your feedback or your sharing of information then just make it to everyone and it just means i
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don't have to repeat its uh at nauseam because i'm sure i'll still get sick of my voice um
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now this here's my challenge i've uh laid it out yesterday but does anyone want to take us through the karakia
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feel free to raise your hand and i will unmute you and you can take us through it if not
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i'll do it again but i'm going to lay the challenge down for tomorrow all right all right
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okay all right that's fine i'm not offended you must just love the way i roll my
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arms obviously
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so thank you and um great way to start our lesson so to speak um but just in the middle there you may
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have noticed uh is our new name which as i keep saying
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is a great name now because it actually sounds like something not in a very
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official commission for financial capability so yes that's who we are obviously this
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slide hasn't come up but we run the sort of website so if you haven't been there before
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uh the sorted website sorter.org dot nz is the site that is there to a give you
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free tools and or access to tools and information and knowledge
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and really importantly impartial information and knowledge so it's all about empowering you to make
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your own financial decisions rather than sort of telling you if you have to go through bank a or b or
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insurance is it it's all about giving you the tools and information to make your own decision
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so just as a question you can see it on here and you'll be thinking i'm sure dennis didn't give us homework
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but for those of us that were part of yesterday's introduction to investing did you make any changes did
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you do a little bit of research because i know we covered a lot of stuff um but two key ones stand out risk
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profile did we do the investment toolkit and then the other one was did we do some research on our kiwisaver fund um
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if you just want to hit me on the chat i'll just see you know what you found out what you came across
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and um oh yeah cool so someone did an investor profiler talk to the wife of that and
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how did the conversation with the wife go that would be um interesting
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and it's with um couples or where there's one one person
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or more involved or more than one person i should say uh yeah you don't tend to score the same
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so it's quite interesting trying to strike that balance um anyone else want to sort of volunteer if
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they did anything it's completely fine if you didn't because we'll just pick up and move on to the next one
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cool investor profile of research and um dennis my man
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when you did that did it surprise your investor profile like what you came out as
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not really okay yeah that's good it's all right we're all waiting on the edge of our seats thinking yeah it did but so that's all
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good um and then when you did your research did you sort of come up with like a short list of who fits that bill
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so to speak um it should go uh well without mentioning but we will mention it that
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the force financial hub because a really important consideration is to
7:59
when you're doing your research is to also look at the benefits you get through in zpdf via your kiwisaver
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because there's some unique benefits on offer to all nzdf employees through the kiwisaver
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scheme that you wouldn't get outside as well so just add those into your mix as well
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finish reading the latest edition of informed investor magazine oh thanks mark mark was just telling us
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about another book he read but i'll get him to tell us about that one afterwards all right that's cool let's
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move on so what are we covering today i know it looks like a lot but there's only about 16 17 or 19 slides there you
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go and two of them are basically things uh so when is a good time to invest
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um you know really just asking yourselves the question of that as well um is our money going where it should be
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so that age-old question of do you pay debt off first or do you invest or do you do
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both at once what you know what do we feel is right or what do we know what's right in that respect um how to create a
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money system that includes investing so i mentioned it yesterday today's session is about
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taking a bit of a step back um because the reason why this particular module
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was built in is because it's been lots and lots of comments around you know it's it's hard to find the money to get started or
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um you know how how can we get started just saving 10 bucks a week you know how can we do these sorts of things so this
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session is about just taking a step back um looking at our own money plans or
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budgets if we call it just reminding ourselves that you know you need to work through that figure out our needs and wants to figure out how we're planning
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for our goals how important are they and can we find room in our budget to actually
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put towards that goal as well and then last but not least as i said creating room in the budget for
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investing um and you know we had this great uh philosophy a little and long so
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you know for not for me at 48 years of age but if i was back in 18 land uh you
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know even if i put 20 bucks away a week into some investment plan and didn't
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even think about it for the next 20 30 years i would be absolutely amazed as to what that built
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up to so a little and long a little means you just put away a little bit
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regularly the long means you allow the markets or the investment to
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give you that compound growth or that compound returns just seems to be so important to growing your money
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now as always ask your questions as we go along um no real rush on this one in terms of
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trying to get all the information out to you and if you sort of miss something just raise your hand to chat or run feel free
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to send me a chat through and happy to bring it up so um what do you reckon there's a question
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for you all um what do we think we need to have in place uh before we invest well what would you
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like to have in place before you invest let's see what comes through on this one
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i like questions because given a chance to have a drink of water
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ah yes this is why you're called dennis you're just like me a goal exactly what is your reason um oh well here we go go
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on you're all well on the uh keyboard today um sam financial goal plan and gold
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brilliant love it oh denise you just know it don't a budget yes
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um uh rebecca's starting capital yeah yeah exactly and that you know if i thought back to when i was
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20 all sorts of funds had all sorts of minimum amounts and i always thought share brokers were
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wealthy people i mean they charged a lot and you had to have a minimum amount well outside my league and then fast
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forward to today we're subject to some id requirements you can open up a a a shares account or a hatch
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account and start investing with five bucks um which is amazing that sort of um
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decentralization or gamification of share trading just amazing opportunity um budget
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thanks darwin yes budget we'll be talking about those um oh ian love it
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then you gotta stop using those question marks commit to it emergency fund yes exactly right you've got to have a
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perhaps a backstop in place because um the reason why an emergency
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fund is really good is because the last thing you want to do if you've got this pot of money that you've been putting away and investing
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is if the i don't know let's just say the wheels need a replacement car the last thing you want to do is tap that
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lot of money that you've got um try and have an emergency fund set aside and i know it can seem
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well maybe counterintuitive building up an emergency fund building a savings fund paying off your mortgage whatever
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it might be it's just about you know different pots for different needs
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and if you've caught my webinar before about money
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plans budgets so forth it can be quite demoralizing having your emergency savings and with your goal
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money your holiday travel fund whatever it is and then having to pull into that to pay for your car repairs for a while
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so it is quite useful to have them separated and you know specifically for those
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types of me so love it then thank you emergency fun definitely um a level of certainty yes great mike
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these are great suggestions coming through i'm just wondering is this all in the workbook is it brilliant well done um yeah certainty and it can mean
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um job certainty uh no one will ever know what markets are going to do but mark
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and i were just talking about it at the beginning yesterday we're talking about markets taking a big dip downwards because of the new
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uh covert variant and then today the news is a bit better so markets
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flipped back up so you know in terms of trying to predict
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when the marker will be more certain for our investment can't do it the only time we know that is right is now if you've
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got the ability and the means to invest it's never wrong to start investing
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because you're going to do it for the right reasons for the right time frame and hopefully not take too much risk along the way
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um surplus funds yes awesome sooner thank you um oh mark coming in there with goals
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and a strategy exactly right a bit of financial security
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and ooh darwin you've hit me with a massive acronym there bk a gty 2021
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i can't venture what that means but you tell can you enlighten us or what that means
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oh no oh no oh sorry darwin that looks like a password [Laughter]
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maybe or maybe not we we will say not to that so that's all good uh but yeah no brilliant but these are the
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sorts of things we need to have in place and if we look at you know you may remember we talked about debt once um
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things we need to look at that um the big key difference here is i
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think goals you know what find the why of why you're investing um and it just just me personally i
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think that is the most important thing because it really then starts to drive okay how
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or your enthusiasm and your commitment to pulling money out of your spending every day
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to put towards an investment goal that might be six months away it might be 36 months away
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so having that level of commitment comes about from having a you know a clear
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idea of a goal that you haven't liked and the smart goal process because i know i talk about that ad nauseam
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specific measurable achievable um realistic and time-bound
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applying that process to it building a vision board um i would have my phone there but i've
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got a phone but having some sort of reminder on the phone to keep me focused i mean if it's um mark and uh through
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its work enzyme has put together a great strategy about getting to a hundred thousand dollars in
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five years and that's making use of all the the benefits and um investment vehicles on offer
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through benzodia for clinton kevin server so those sorts of things can make it so much more exciting and then you
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know i would find personally putting away you know 100 bucks payday or 200 bucks payday
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or the ability to have a hundred grand deposit in five years time i would commit to that because i can see
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that goal coming through but yeah no the other things that we do want to have a place like emergency fund
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anything that stops us from being able to achieve our
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medium long-term goals it's always a bonus um no other questions coming through feel free if
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anyone's got a comment about that feel free to send that through as well um so on your screen and it's in your
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workbooks as well uh it's just showing you the difference between you can see here uh where's my cursor
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gone there it is ten thousand dollars all right and you can see that um
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there's two different pathways for that ten thousand dollars so in your books it'll be a little bit clearer but just on screen here if you
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haven't opened that particular workbook i sent now now if any has anyone joined and
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can't see the workbook link please let me know on the chat because we're at 31 participants
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and i might wait another three or four minutes and i'll make that um download available again but let me know in the
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chat if you haven't got the download link for your workbook um so what we have here are two lines oh there
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we go we've got one hand going up that's cool don't have it okay let's just quickly do it now
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so bear with me sorry people that have it and i think in my opinion
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right um so that is just uploading and once it's uploaded well it has now all
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you need to do is click and it'll download to your computer so let me know if you've got it that would be
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awesome um yeah so that's ten thousand
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dollars now someone's put their hand up uh richard your hand has gone up so
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i will allow you to talk just need to unmute yourself you can chat away
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it may be that you put your hand up by accident but that's completely cool i did okay all right all good um
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yes i've just shared that link so for those of us that don't have uh the download link should have it now oh yeah
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one's got it brilliant um so our two lines so this is ten thousand dollars left in the in the share market for
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uh 25 years all right um i always can't see it uh it's on the
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chat so louise if you go into your zoom controls if you move your mouse around it should be like a chat function come
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down uh it looks like a little well it's called chat there's like a little speech bubble if you go
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into that hopefully louise you're into that now
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and if you still can't see it let me know and i'll i'll resend it again see the pdf head download but keep
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saying error when i try to open it that's a bit weird okay i'm not sure that might be a specific your own
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computer issue um as long as you've downloaded it then that's all good i will send this again
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and what we will do rather than me trying to be an i.t guru that i'm not
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um there we go okay i've shared it again what i'll do is i'll share the
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email the link to mark and then mark if it's called with you maybe make it available on the website or something
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like that or if anybody wants it they can email um benefits at
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nzdf.mill.in what do you write about that does that sound good right
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oh yeah cool thanks mark um yeah because there's a couple of people saying
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uh a couple of people saying it's not um working properly so i think that might be the best way to go
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um and yeah appreciate that louise yes it's um if you are sending it on the chat then yes that's where it comes up
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so uh good point um yeah okay there's a few errors that's cool um it's a pdf document so maybe
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ah okay thanks mark so if you're using nzdf devices then that will be the reason why
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so what i'll do is um rather than focusing on this i will
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email it to mark and if you do want a copy of it and effectively it's the workbook that we're in working through
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the slides so it just allows you to write your own notes into it um is
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you can email that email link and mark we'll put the email link up and then just get it sent out okay
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because there's 32 of us on there some of us can make work some of us can't so back to the um brilliant thanks jack
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back to the um graph at hand so we've got a ten thousand dollar lump sum showing two lines purple line of the
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orange line uh invested for 25 years all right um
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so if we looked at the orange line and started with ten thousand dollars typical results in terms of a share
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market sits between you can see there's like a sort of a slightly lighter color
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sort of a high low really in terms of share market performance and i'm just looking at the figures
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because it doesn't quite show on here could be anywhere between ten thousand eighty dollars to thirty four thousand
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all right but if we and this is getting to our little and long
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if we add a little bit to that 10 000 pot um all the way through so in this
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instance we're talking about uh 50 50 bucks a week all right doesn't sound like a lot it can mean a lot um but it
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doesn't sound like a lot compared to the 10 000 uh that can increase this potential
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balance and you can see the higher lows are a bit more pronounced um to what about 120 odd thousand so in
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terms of growing that nest egg you've actually given it a lot more opportunity to grow because
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the one thing we need to remember is here we've got ten thousand dollars at risk in the market doesn't matter what the prices are doing it's your 10
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000 going up and down but here and this is exactly like your kiwisavers
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you are contributing money regularly and you might be sort of buying it at smith and kelly prices and things going up
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getting more expensive but then also if you keep that
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process going that that sort of almost muscle memory of okay i'm just going to keep paying 50 bucks a week i'm going to
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keep contribution going i don't care what markets are doing you'll be buying it at lisco's prices so what it means is
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that you're buying things cheaper and as things recover you get the benefit of that recovery like a shot in the arm
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almost so the concept we're trying to get across is that yes it's good to start one but if you can
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just try and keep adding to it regularly doesn't matter how much it is as long as it's something that you can add to it
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your results will definitely stand out from the rest so
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uh with that in mind here we go i know you'll be thinking oh my god dennis is launching into a poll
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it's going to ask me if i've kept the spending going so this is our lead in into money plans or
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budgets so you know have you ever kept the spending diary and the spending diary is one way of
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keeping check of where we're spending and how we're spending our money and oh we've got 13 or 32 it's very
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anonymous so i can't tell who's voted so keep them coming in um and spending diaries one and then
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we'll also touch on some of the spending tracker wraps that are out there as well but effectively the spending diary
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is there as well as an app to give you insights into how you spend
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money and it's especially important if we've never ever done that and we're trying to start a budget uh so we've got
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23 of 32 so we've got nine to go i'll give it another five ten seconds
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that's all good um oh we've got a yes to me as well so
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that's cool so we've uh we've got six five to go five to go all right might just end that because i think some
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people might be um on other tech that doesn't allow the poll to come through so on your screen
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you should have a uh survey very accurate survey because there's 27 people voted uh and
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almost 50 50. sort of like a balanced profile 44 saying yes and 56 percent saying no
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so spending diary you know in its very simplest form is like a 3d one notebook
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that is it uh who here as a question runs a budget or a money plan now just hit me with a yes
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or hit your hand up if you like who runs a budget
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now it's got some hands and lots of yeses and a couple of nose that's cool
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i love that one loosely yeah yeah that's cool um
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i can always rely on every webinar there's always one person that uses excel there's probably a lot more and
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you're very keeping very regarded about it uh but shout out to sarah peters and
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she uses the excel spreadsheet um oh there we go mark uses excel um
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and sam's really calling it out excel is the best look don't get me wrong excel i love it
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but i it just never ceases to amaze me that there's always one or more people in a
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webinar about budgeting that uses itself fantastic tool um
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mitchell if i had chocolate fish i was doing this in person i'll be throwing it out to you right now because you use the
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sorted budget tool that is awesome um jackie your hand's still up so i'm thinking you might want
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to say something but if you don't feel free to oh god that hand just get quick um
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excel was sorted didn't save my budgets oh no uh at least to that point
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maybe it was an idea issue but also if you sign up you can save your budget
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and signing up is completely confidential by the way hey awesome someone said it gave them a
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strategy to get gets paid off love it that's brilliant um
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geez mike how does that work split across google sheets sorted and trello
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is that a good way to to do it ah
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well um on you based on that feedback lecture i'll just um feed that back because it's that's so frustrating
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having done all the work trying to save and it doesn't work that's annoying um i'll feed it back to the i.t team so at
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least they can make sure that they've been framed um
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oh it's pretty busy not at all the way ideal yeah okay cool yeah and alicia i just
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copied the template over as it's a good tool yeah it's it's brilliant um yeah
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the only problem it has and this is why we talk about um talk microscopy and the detail here this is awesome um the only
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thing with sorted is that it's about you putting the figures in and giving you a reference point to come
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back to which is cool but in terms of ongoing monitoring if that's something you really want to do
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um yeah the budgeting tool is probably not the best so you need we need to look at other ways of identifying spending
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links and then what's chillow is a good way to track what things need paying mostly for
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fixing the house okay cool so it's almost like not project management but being able to put
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like cash flow management i guess is that a good way to describe it mike
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because then you can put dates and almost run your household budget like a business so that you know your upcoming
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bills it's basically a kanban board well there's something i've learned today kanban haven't heard of that so
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i'll definitely be googling that um thanks everyone for filling out the poll there
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now apologies to all of us that have seen this video before but it's a good little video
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um the animation is state of the art um let's have a quick watch and it just
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talks through about um spending diary and it talks about a bathtub and identifying spending legs
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so really it's about you know figuring out why it's important and the benefits of actually working
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through a system like this so here we go
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managing your money should be as easy as running a bath you turn on the taps and make sure more money goes in and goes
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out if you forget the plug and spend more than you earn the bath never fills but even if you put the plug in do you
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still find that the bath never fills very high for very long do you find yourself wondering where your money is
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actually going turns out that bath has some cracks and leaks your everyday expenses keep draining it it's
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practically impossible to remember what we spend money on every day it's even harder to keep a running tally of what
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we spent on one kind of thing over the last week or month like takeaways petrol groceries or
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clothes and little by little now spending here and there on things we don't even think about makes that bath
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leak without us noticing what we all need is a way to see where our money's flowing that's what a money
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tracker is all about tracking your spend can give you a clear picture of what's really happening with your cash
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now there are different ways to do this you can carry a small notebook and write down how much you spend every time you
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buy something you can use an app to record everything you spend on your phone or tablet
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you can keep receipts and then write down your expenses at the end of each day you can also use fpos for everything
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you buy and then go through your statements the key is to find a way that works for you and stick to it you'll be
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glad you did the more accurate your money tracking is the sharper the picture you'll see of where your money's
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flowing it pays not to miss a thing as you record each expense group them by what they're for like groceries bills
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petrol gifts or clothes whatever you typically spend money on if you're using a notebook or spreadsheet make a column
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for each it makes it easy to add up when you do get ready for some surprises
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you may even be shocked how much you spend on everyday things really wherever the surprise leaks are that's where your
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opportunities are too and as you plug those leaks you'll watch your bath fill
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head to sorted dot org dot nz to find out more on how to manage your money
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so yeah so apologies that's probably about the 10th time you've seen that video we do love that video um but yeah
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the key the key is is being empowered and in charge of your money plan and the money flows that you have um and always
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is the the example of the government governments um has well hundreds of billions of
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dollars coming into its coffers every every year but it also has a plan so the budget
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that it comes out with you know every year around where they plan to spend money
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they can only do that with the knowledge they have in terms of what money's coming in and what money needs to go out
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to pay for things so we're no different um running your household like a like a government or perhaps a business just
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getting a little bit of an insight around that and how we spend our money and especially
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there's nothing worse than say setting up a savings plan let's call it 20 bucks
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a week and then you know after a month having to stop that because there's another
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bill that's come along that sort of has to take urgency or priority over that um so this is about getting control
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figuring out have we got some spare cash to you know invest and if we do
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what's our goal for that okay it's uh i've got a spare you know 20 bucks a week
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and i want to just save that for you know my view my future child's education and 18. so
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let's just say they were born you want to put 20 bucks away and in 18 years time you want them to have it so you
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could you could take a lot of risk for that you could go into like a growth fund or you could you could set up a um
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online share platform and buy a exchange trader fund or some shares you like um and then just keep adding to it
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and as long as we've identified how we spend our money and stick to it then it's got the best possible
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opportunity to to hit that sort of purple line graph that we saw where it's actually buying in the good times but
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also buying in the bad times and making more use after 20 bucks that's that's going in so on the screen at the moment
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you've got some ideas around some third-party apps it was brought up before that always
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remember where third-party apps just check with your bank if you can use them because the bank
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in their terms and conditions especially for online banking or phone banking they want you to keep your login and
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password safe confidential and don't divulge it to anybody the
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problem is if you want all your transactions captured by these types of applications out there
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even pocket smithfield was designed in new zealand you're going to have to give
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your permission to access your bank accounts and that's where a bank might get a little bit sticky about it so definitely
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definitely do check with them another alternative which has been brought up by your good sales in the past
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um is just approach bank and ask them if they've got a spending tracker type
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app and usually i've heard it so much now that the red the blue the yellow the
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green well light blue and the dark blue bangs
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all offer their own version of a spending tracker for free just by virtue of the fact you have your account with
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them and as you've seen before there's lots of ideas out there around you can download your transactions into excel
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and set up your own sort of monitoring you can have the bank statements and just work it off that
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you could mike's left us now unfortunately but he had some great ideas he was using trello
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google sheets which is a free version of excel i guess and there's something else to mention that i
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can't quite remember uh sorted or the sort of website of course i should know that um so
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the key is find something that you can use and you're comfortable with and it's easy to use
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right i know i'm happy about this type i think any questions on that
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i think there's an event as well there's no
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right all right so you've got a question on screen at the moment so what we've done now is we've we've taken those
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initial couple of steps so we've gone through and figured out a system for uh monitoring our money flows our money
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tracker we've built a budget so how does that budget look and we're going to go to the
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sorted site soon and have a look at a at the budget template so again apologies for people who use this
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because it's a rehashing of it um but once we've done those
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a money system or how we organize our bank accounts
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is a great support mechanism for these other two things that we're doing
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so can i ask and you don't need to tell me a mounds um and and hit me up in the chat um how
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you've organized your bank account so do you have one account for everything or do you
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prefer the have a day-to-day account savings account and a bills account how do you
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set things up and what i'll do is if you don't want to share it send it to me and i'm just going to raffle them off as we
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work through um but yeah feel free to share it but like i said don't tell me amounts
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and um yeah i'll uh i'll try and pinch one or two ideas
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um but just while people are typing up maybe uh the record i've had
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oh someone just hit me with seven accounts so i'm just going to say the record i've had is 23 accounts
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and you may have heard the story before but i'll just quickly reiterate um her concept was it was it was an account for
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every need that she had and one example was that she had a friend's birthday coming up in a
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three four months whatever it should open account put five bucks a week away into it just before the birthday pull
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all the money out close it down use that money to buy the present and that was her way of doing it so it's another way
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of you know the little brown envelopes or just knowing that you've got a little
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jar for every expense that might be out there so it's pretty cool um what we've
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got here pay for everything on credit card and pay off every fortnight oh yeah brilliant so it keeps it all on one
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um sheet so to speak which is great uh one account for all with spending tracker oh yeah i'm glad that works um
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brian because having one account for everything it's just uh you've really got to be in control of
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that so that's brilliant that you can do it with your spending tracker um oh this is why it was quiet some
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people here written like a big escapade on it uh this is brilliant um money goes into joint accounts and split into 12
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different accounts and never goes negative and i guess i won't say the person's name but from your perspective
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with those 12 accounts you know you've got a bills account you know you buy like a warrant account or an
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insurance company it's good knowing that once you've paid it in there it's taken care of i guess that's where you're coming from
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um joint bills count and joint savings for house car and holiday brilliant yeah
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it's um it's just an account for every or not every but uh common needs of just
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putting that money inside um always openness to everyone so this brilliance everyone can pillage this one
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i have a separate mortgage account i'll pay them to then a bill account one smart
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card for spending that earns the airports yeah and several savings accounts different things i pay extra bills can't have any bigger bills
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brilliant yeah and that's another good thing that um i tend to forget to mention is
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if you do use credit card you can actually shop around now as well and find the one that gives you the best
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rewards because if you are going to put everything through a credit card definitely pay it off in full each month don't use it any other way
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then the rewards that you get back just for paying your bills like normal can add an extra
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five six seven hundred bucks every year even more potentially um
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notice how i didn't refer to air travel because that's not happening i divide my money after bank rent and
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certain fixed amounts of savings bills food and excess excess gets invested after the balance reaches the super
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threshold brilliant love it and then at least you've got that certificate great
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uh sam's hit us with one main transaction account because of mortgage two different types of savings accounts yeah love it that's cool as long as it
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works for you that's the main thing excuse me um leisure spending online that is interest added that is
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easily accessible savings account bills home improvements mortgage kiwisaver turn deposits and interest rates go back
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up for the customer yes um and yeah let's not forget kiwisaver's long term um but it is still another
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another pot for us and it can be for retirement but it can also be for our first home purchase
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um this person has seen eight accounts yeah so just pip the other one by one
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seven um eight accounts mortgage and payroll main suite available existing the
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highest interest rate turned positive yeah they're keeping it close um
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and i'm guessing somewhere in the mix a lot of us may have an emergency or rainy day or the oh crap fund
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um sort of hidden away as well um
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three accounts excluding mortgage accounts credit card full transactions and payoff monthly yep and i'm guessing
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you get rewards with that um seasons with lots of different savings accounts wonder if i should
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consolidate well yeah i mean if this is the other big thing if they're costing you money
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then you know i don't know three four five bucks a month um that's money you could be investing
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into your your he's um portfolio five bucks um every month type
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thing um because man it's so much better in your pocket than the banks uh but yeah only consolidate this fees or a
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consideration and also if it's going to simplify and improve your account patrol system
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otherwise if it works for you then just stick with it i guess um jay said us with i've got five accounts
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one is every day one is build two we do need to remember that somewhere in
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here uh we need to have some fun stuff uh as well
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uh everything goes on the credit card payoff each month yeah well yeah it's not a credit card ah okay thanks uh
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one smart because we load credit onto it it helps you not have to go okay brilliant so you can only spend what you
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put on to the card sort of like those pressing cards sometimes but a bit more flexible yeah that's good i've learned
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something um and then we've got here general spending account a personal spending account for two of us a savings account
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for our son the bill's account uh have calculated how much our bills are could be savings account food and fuel account
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and travel account we put money into each after pay comes through brilliant that's and i mean and the cool thing is
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because it's all um simplified and every account has its purpose
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um you can just keep track of things a lot easier and feel in control and plan with a degree of
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certainty for the future as well because you know right where we've paid for our annual registration and our warranty and
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mechanical checks on the car we've done all of that so yes we can put that extra money to something else so love it
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thanks so much everyone because that's a money system is a very important um
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building block to making sure your budget um actually succeeds
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so i'm just going to quickly show you the budgeting tools um
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here we are on the sorted site i'd do it be unsorted i'll just quickly show you this where
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are we here's my budget tool there it is this one
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and i'll just just quickly show you this because this you know four thousand dollars a month
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um our own home uh kids five pets
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holiday and a clear cut so it's really easy so if you haven't
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used it give it do give it a whirl um it's either visual for us picture type people
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or a list view for us excel people so both both types of um
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visual stimulation are provided for um probably give a dog back in the
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background that's a joy of working from home i have to tell you it's uh it's a bonus
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um the one reason why i want to break this budget down a little bit more for you is for this reason here so if i have
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went under savings i could add in here add category
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and i could put here uh long term savings and i don't know we'll just call it
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sharesies i'm not we're not trying to promote cheeses but it's just that everyone knows about shares is and i'm gonna put um
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50 bucks a week into it sorry 50 bucks a fortnight from a payday
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and so about trying to figure out what money you got free what goal you want for that money to to apply to
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um then putting it into your budget so this is how easy it is to put in here so you can see here under savings
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we've assigned long term saving shares these 50 bucks a fortnight so just building it into our
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budget and the sort of tool allows you to just build it in quite and easily
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which is really really cool um but yeah it doesn't have to be shares it can be a managed fund it can be
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a hatch it can be an invest now or it can be i think this steak from australia that's come over now so anything that
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you know where you've done the research the reputable professional um the fees aren't going to like
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gouge out and if you're putting in 10 and they're taking out five um someone's going to get rich off that
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and they're going to be you investing it um uh oh here's a question through from
45:28
jonathan with emergency funds the standard device seems to be three to six months of expenses do you think there is
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an opportunity cost having such a large amount of money in cash fix interest whether you think the security of an
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emergency fund is more important jonathan love it great question um actually before i answer it what do we
45:46
reckon what's some opinions on that question that jonathan posed um chuck it on chat and we'll just quickly whip
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through those as well and then i'll i'll give you my two cents for what it's worth as well um
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so yeah the budget tools there if you want to use it some of us already are that are on this call and use it well
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which is brilliant uh but just do bear in mind this is why that initial step is so
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important figure out what you're spending and how you're spending it and where you're spending it then put your
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budget together because trust me i just tried to do it myself when you do try and put a budget together without
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knowing those first step with that first step or a couple of steps the budget might sort of fall apart
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because of an expense you didn't expect and then to revisit it and it gets annoying so try and do that initial step first if
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you've tried to do a budget before and haven't stuck with it and don't worry about getting it wrong
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and and thinking pulling my hair out like me um
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try and um just revisit tailor it alter it to your own
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preferences and make sure it works for you um louise you're not allowed to say that
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i was looking for an answer um louise i also wondered about it since the wasted funding
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how much risk would come forth yep uh and mark said i have emergency funds and flexi cellar now that's a really
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great point um mark do you just want to pipe up now just on flexi saver and how
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it can fit in hi thanks dennis hi everyone um so
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hopefully everyone's aware that we actually have a number of savings schemes within defence one of them is the ends of their flexi saver scheme
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gives you access to seven different investment options which dennis touched on yesterday when he was covering off
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the initial thing of investments more information about it is on the force financial hub just go to google
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force financial hub and go to the page for the ends of their flex saver scheme but the reason why i put my funds in
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there if i've got funds sitting in the bank i'm getting probably one percent maximum return and when you take into
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account tax and inflation it means i'm actually paying the bank to hold my money whereas with flexi saver i've got
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my money in a more aggressive portfolio and i'm getting higher returns but i accept at the same time there's greater
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risk that comes with that as well so it's the trade-off between the between the risk and the returns but i'm
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satisfied with the outcome and i can access by funds within three to four working days if there's an
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emergency and i need to touch them cool thanks mark um and i've brought the page up so everyone can see
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the flexisaver scheme but it's it's a it's a great little option that yes um we do need to
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acknowledge an emergency savings and i just saw alicia come through with one um it's something you do want to be able to
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get your hands on quickly to be able to pay for bills that are unexpected that's a whole concept
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but on the flip side this is why i was looking for your guys opinions and gail's opinions on it is
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you could end up you know three six months worth of income or expenses with a little dollop of money there just
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sitting languishing in a savings account not touching it because you haven't needed it
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thinking come on it must be a better option so for mortgage holders for people that have mortgages
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you could put it as an idea put it into your floating rate loan and just check to make sure
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that you can draw that back out again because that's a way that you can save interest or if you're with a bank that offers you
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a what they call a mortgage offset so they recognize the savings you have
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and use that to lower the loan balance on which interest is charged so again
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you recognize for the for the balance you hold or your total balance so do check with your bank about
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that one alternatively to mark's point flexi save is great and i'm not saying
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uh you know we're recommending it but it is good because it's specifically built
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not built but specifically there and tailored for nzf personnel employees so
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it just means that you've got access to an investment that you can either make it super aggressive or something you
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know that's a little bit more conservative but still hopefully generates a little
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bit of an additional you know return over and above what bank rates are so it's a great little option um susan
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asked are there any penalties from withdrawing from clicks and saver mark
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um but yeah so to um yeah to your question jonathan it was a
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brilliant question that's why i like to open it up that one um yeah you it's a call you make you might maybe if
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you've built up five ten grand let's say um you know maybe keep a grand or two
50:37
at your fingertips in a online account and then maybe give the rest of it the opportunity to earn a better return than
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a flexi saver or something similar or put it into a mortgage on a floating rate or whatever it is
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but again you could try and break that amount up just to see if you can generate a little bit extra
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money on top of it because every little bit helps i don't know if that answers your question jonathan but i think it's very personal
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um choice but at least we've all got some more options um cool all right
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oh this is good we're at eight minutes so this is good um so is there any any tips so for those of
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us that have set up savings accounts i mean what sort of tips have you got to
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if you want to share them just with me and i'll share it with everybody or with everyone uh that helps you to keep on
51:29
track um so just while you're typing away i mean i've presented a couple of them and my
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favorite is you know the smart goal framework and a visual type
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representation of it um and you know now my wife and i michelle and i have planned that we want
51:48
our mortgage paid off at a certain date and certain age um but we're both on that page and we
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both love that idea and every sort of six months i just give her an update of where the loan balance is
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uh versus where we think it should be and it's you know generally it's a little bit less so it just keeps our
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focus um what have we got here someone said make automatic payment set and forget yes
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definitely because you want to keep it away from here you don't want to have to make that decision every payday you want to make it
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automatic where you can so try and do that love it um set myself targets and one of the
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progress against targets yep definitely very good military analogy there mark targets
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but yeah it's as simple as that just make it a no even as simple as making it a graph
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where you should be versus where you are um i mean that's all we do in financial planning we
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map it out and then we figure out okay well dennis you're going to get to this amount which is what you said but actually you're on
52:47
track to get to this amount which you know that's an extra 500 bucks a week in retirement or hey dennis uh you're not
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saving as much as you need to you're going to either have less in retirement or you know you need to fix this guy up and
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make it a little bit more and you will actually get to your goal so always always revisit and course correct where you can
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um i will always pay something in the savings even if it's 10 bucks yes it's a fantastic feeling isn't it even
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if it's ten bucks i mean we i don't know maybe it's society now we sort of you got 10 bucks whatever but
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any little bit can build up to a giant dick some if given enough time
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which has been tested um with let's say one may make a fortnightly deduction from
53:33
payroll minimum of twenty dollars per pay well there you go it's easy and what's even
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easier is that you just deal with payroll in that respect to set it up and to change things which
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is great um jackie's hit us with daily account which pay goes into on payday take out
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everything which is over and above what's in the budget for next fortnight yep so you know exactly what you've got to work with yeah and it keeps you
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gives you that certainty to stay stay focused yeah um if i can pay my off my mortgage should i
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it would mean using voluntary accountant dfpss cat a or keep it invested
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that's a great question now it's just been sent to me so i won't call you out um yeah yeah let me go through these slides
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and then we'll just get to that question at the end if that's cool um and jonathan it's good to be realistic
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with your budget expectations learn to live within things yes yeah and it and there's always a little bit of um what's
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the word a little bit of adjustment as we begin this journey if we've never done it before
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but i can guarantee you we don't guarantee much in investment worlds but i can guarantee you the more you
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apply yourself to it the easier it gets and my best example of that is when kiwisaver first came
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about before 2007 it was like a hit to the pay path
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because suddenly you were paying out money that you never had to before and it was a shock
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but then over the course of those fortnights after they had months turned into years it's just
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secondary nature so you know i've changed jobs a few times i just expect that my new job kiwisave
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will come off and i have a net enough money to play with so to speak um so it's just it's part of muscle memory now
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which i know that a lot of your training and military service is all about muscle memory as well so there you go
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um for my calculations 4.7 mortgage rate there's a threshold of which it is
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better to pay the mortgage over interest investing not financial advice yes no that's cool all right that's interesting
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you've worked it out um and i'm guessing jonathan just on that 4.7 you've worked it out so that if you
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had a tax back inflation you get to an investment rate that you need to be able to offset that
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is that we are all good if you have to go to your next meeting that's cool um
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or just while jonathan answers that one so making room for investing start small don't
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suddenly launch into yeah five and a bucks payday because if you have to change it the next payday or stop it or
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whatever you need to do it's just going to be a little bit disheartening so start small and then build up from there
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remember a little and long knowing our numbers because it's very important because if you're going to
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find something to be able to invest you do need to know how you're spending money and where you're spending your
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money obviously keeping it automatic a really key part of that as well is know the why
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of why you're investing i mean it's great to get your money working for you but just have a little bit of an idea of
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well if i put it into share markets i could get this and that could mean i could do this just the why just try and
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meet that out even using smart goal acronym to try and do that a great way to remind yourself and a
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great way to keep yourself focused make it automatically talk about that keep it away from trying to make
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decisions and last but not least review regularly course correct if you need to
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and that can either be you know if you're ahead of where you're tracking brilliant love it keep going uh and if
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you're slightly behind where you should be then you know what what do you need to do to change now
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to have the biggest impact to actually achieving or um
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you know uh exceeding your goals that you want to have so as long as you do it early enough then unlike me at 48 i'm
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not going to have to make massive changes to try and hit the goal so to speak
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um oh cool thanks jonathan for clarifying that and if everyone can see it hopefully uh based on a long term
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average return of seven percent on the s p 500 which by the way is standard pause 500 it's the 500 largest companies in
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the u.s and the time frame of 10 plus years yeah and it's really important when you do
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start looking at books looking at those sorts of things that
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you consider the long-term assumptions rather than just sort of looking at the last two three four five years
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um the only thing the only caution i've mentioned about the last 10 years
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that has been since the the gfc um you probably want to look back 20 30
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years because the the last 10 years is basically 2011 to 2021 yes it
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accounts for a pandemic in there but there's a lot of extra money been sloshing around the system with lots of
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low interest rates um so just if you take it back prior to the gse interest
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rates were high inflation was high and there was a bit of excess in the system so to speak so at least it gives
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you a bit more of a grounded return as well um so yeah we know about investment goals
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so i won't cover that uh action plan so obviously after today we've got some workbooks with where you could make it
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work feel free to write it in there um and uh what i will do now is
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share the link for our feedback so if you do have to go um feel free to go and thank you so much
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for your time mark over to you for a second and then we'll answer that question as well
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uh okay dennis thank you for that um just a couple of points that people raised and
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going back to the person who asked the question about should they pay off the mortgage first i think you mentioned
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you're a dfss member um
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okay right so a big plug please remember all of you who are members of the cat a and the cat
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c you would have received a letter advising that the scheme is able to provide you with a free financial plan
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um so far we've had about 200 people registered for that financial free financial plan please
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do something about it because that financial plan will help provide you with the information to enable you to
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make the decision about do you invest as opposed to pay off the mortgage and the stats that i think it was
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jonathan was raising are very valid while he was doing that i was quickly thumbing through a couple of books i've
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got here that actually show the market returns going back from 1900 onwards and i think
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again your figures are consistent with the long term as opposed to just the last 10 years
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just a couple of other points as well um so we've talked about the dfss we've talked about the flex saver scheme
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please if anyone wants information about that or their kiwisaver scheme go to the force financial hub and have a lot there
1:00:25
all the information is there and happy to take any queries that people might have just email me benefits
1:00:31
at nzdf dot mil dot um nz and then the last point is that we have
1:00:36
a resources guide that we put together over a period of time which gets updated every month around where people may go
1:00:43
to get additional information on investing there's actually a lot of material out there that's free
1:00:48
through webinars and podcasts and things like that and there's some really good local stuff but there's a lot of info
1:00:54
international material as well but on top of that there's a range of magazines and bulletins and bits and pieces that
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um i get and subscribe to um and so um it depends on whether
1:01:05
people want to spend the money or not but there's some really good stuff that's available again both local for the new zealand market
1:01:11
but also um and uh international and things as well so anyone who wants that resources list
1:01:17
again just email me and i can send it send it out to you and just the last thing around is also
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the of course hopefully everyone's aware that we actually have our own financial advice mortgage broker service uh
1:01:30
multi-direct limited if you you can access their site either by googling milestyle direct or going through the
1:01:36
forced financial hub and you'll see that they have a range of information there for us as members of defence and our
1:01:43
families and that includes a range of webinars and podcasts that they've actually put together for us over the
1:01:48
last couple of years and there's a couple of there that focus on uh investments and things as well and
1:01:53
they're very good very good knowledgeable team of people to um you know to get information from as well
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cool um so i for those of us that are left this is tomorrow's topic um
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investing strategies but if you've got the workbook you can fly straight ahead uh but yeah active versus passive so
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just getting a sort of an understanding what the two terms mean their pros and cons
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um types of funds how to pick the right fund the difference between speculating versus investing
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uh and then you know investing income and capital gains so how can you use it to your advantage
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so to the person that asked a question about paying off the mortgage or from their cat
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a savings definitely definitely make use of that financial planning process because
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it'll hopefully spark up the ideas that it's not just as easy as comparing the
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math because it definitely is it definitely works because it's a certain return you're going to pay up your mortgage
1:02:58
but then what do you do do we have the um stick ability to then take those morbid claims and build that fund back
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up these are some of the key questions that will come out of that financial planning process but then at least you've got the maths
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and then hopefully you've had that you know the more holistic conversation uh about it as well um i don't know if that
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person's still on but if they are then answers that question i guess we're just just interrupting that dennis one of the
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things about using your cad a funds to pay off your mortgage is yes you're getting yourselves perhaps into a more
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financially secure position but if you look at the latest messy university figures again on what one
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spends on retirement and they've just they've actually just released a second set of figures for 2021
1:03:44
um but basically anyone retiring or planning on retiring an orc and wellington in christchurch as a couple
1:03:50
you're going to be spending about 1400 a week of which 672 comes from national
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super and that means you need to you're going to need to have um 800 a week coming from other sources
1:04:01
to give you that income or that to give you that level of retirement that we all would like to have
1:04:07
and the problem is that in the past people thought well i'll downsize i'll sell my big flash house i've got one
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location i'll downsize and buy a cheaper house in another location and use the difference to supplement my retirement
1:04:20
income the problem is that that the options for people downsizing are getting less and less because house
1:04:27
prices are increasing in most regions around the country and so the idea of
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having that nest egg may not be available now as an option for people when they anticipated they were going to
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have that as their main source of retirement income so that's the thing to think about and so one of the things we always encourage everyone to do with
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both their kiwisaver and the dfss funds is to have a plan
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uh work out how long that money needs to last you and you make the assumption it needs to last you for 25 years plus
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and um you then need to have a plan around what sort of income that will generate you and how much you drill down
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over that each of those 25 years to supplement your retirement income
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brilliant thanks mark um and johnson great question jonathan you've seen a little bit uh investment clued up there
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i think uh just ask a question about researching companies for value investing for within the scope
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probably more from a point that it's a it's an investment strategy or philosophy
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um rather than us trying to um delve into how value investing works so
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just as a precursor we'll probably cover it tomorrow but you know value investing is about trying
1:05:39
to find companies that represent good value funnily enough
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and buying them at the right price and then you know holding on to them in terms of investing for the future and
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a good good example would be warren buffett if you want to see how
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they buy and hold for the future and value investing if you think of it as understanding knowing the company
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knowing their opportunities so it is quite an active decision-making
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process so we'll touch upon active hassle decision making in terms of that last comment there
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about the 3 withdrawal rate you need 1.38 million include and
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the the retirement commission i think their figures are you actually need about eight hundred and nine thousand as
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the latest figure you need to give you that eight hundred dollars a week to supplement national super and this is
1:06:33
all predicated on the basis that you're actually owning your own home and you don't you don't pay mortgage you don't pay rent anywhere and of course we're
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going to have more and more younger people coming through who for a whole variety of reasons probably will be paying rent
1:06:46
or maybe still paying a mortgage when they ultimately retire and so this is where our society is
1:06:53
going to be changing quite dramatically moving from where we were an owner property democracy to where
1:06:59
we're going to have more and more people actually be renting rather than um you know having their own home and
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that's going to ult totally alter the the dynamic of being retired as well
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yeah yeah yeah it's interesting um times isn't it um uh i just had a question the zoom link
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email received the webinar where should we go to access recording um the the recording will probably be available in
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say five to ten working days a couple of weeks so on it to get it up
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um yeah so it will be there and the zoom link is that is was it on the email mark however
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um so if you uh i'm gonna email paul and get him to send me the documents uh and
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then anyone who wants the documents just send me an email to benefits at nzdf.net and i'll send them out to you but i need
1:07:47
to get paul to send them to me first oh yeah that's right and then and the zoom link for the next webinars coming up are
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they anywhere available yeah they're on there again if you haven't got them for the rest of the week email me and i'll
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send them to you because i've got them i've got them through the benefits site and things so they actually went on general notices
1:08:06
that we posted all around the place but for those of you who may not have seen them then i can send them out to you again
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brilliant so um to the person who asked the zoom link um just email benefits at
1:08:17
nzdf.mill.nd yeah cool that's good and then that'll that'll keep mark busy for the afternoon
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um now does anyone else have any questions um oh here we go it'll be interesting to see what happens with
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super as the number of beneficiaries of the skin increases may need to increase eligibility age which makes them more
1:08:36
important to plan for retirement early yep definitely agree with that because at the end of the day jonathan
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it's about control and choice the the ability to pick your own retirement date
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um same with you know clients that have uh had a long time ago where they've paid off their mortgage it's not just
1:08:55
paying off the mortgage it's also the fact then they can choose to go back and study they could leave their
1:09:01
jobs and not sort of at the behest of having to earn an income to pay for the mortgage to keep the home
1:09:06
now it becomes a case of well i don't have to pay the loan anymore got some investments what else can i i've always wanted to
1:09:13
take a six month holiday or whatever it might be so it just gives you the ability to plan
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and look i don't know about all of you but personally i'm planning you know i'll probably retire about 65 or later
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because i really love what i do um but if health prevents me from
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working i know i can retire a bit earlier than 65 if i needed to so it's it's
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my own choice my own control over it and knowing that if government does change it it's not going to affect me greatly
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but yeah good comment i think anyone retiring after 2040 and jonathan i don't know where you've
1:09:50
whether you fall into that category or not but the news ain't good because basically my generation's spending all
1:09:55
the money um and so something's going to have to give whether it's the age of eligibility
1:10:00
or the lump sum the payments that are provided through national super or accommodation of both
1:10:06
uh because um you know apart from we i think from memory new zealand now
1:10:12
has something like 600 000 people getting national super but in addition to that we actually have about
1:10:18
300 000 people are on benefits of other types you know whether it's a sickness benefit mental health drug dependency
1:10:25
alcohol dependency all those sort of issues and something has to give at some stage a population of five million people can
1:10:31
we really afford to sustain um nearly a million people um getting benefits of one sort or another and so
1:10:38
that's why something will have to give in the future and particularly with more demands in the health and education
1:10:43
sectors and everything else and so it's inevitable that there will be changes
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one one shape form or another and that's why for young people and i don't know um you know what category you fall into
1:10:55
jonathan for young people it's critical that people actually think about these issues now because i know from personal
1:11:01
experience i'm 62 and i just can't believe how fast the years have gone and and hey presto now
1:11:06
you're facing retirement around the corner and i can remember starting work as a 22 year old straight out of
1:11:13
university and i can still recall it as though it was yesterday i just can't i i can't believe how fast the years
1:11:19
have actually rushed by definitely definitely i can say that too
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you're a lot younger than me [Laughter] um right so are there any questions if
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not then we will wrap it up and get ready for tomorrow's session so
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don't forget that tomorrow i just have to quickly make sure it is on investing strategies that you're going to screen
1:11:45
but it's at one o'clock same time um and yeah today was all about finding
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that extra bit of money to invest and then now we're going to start delving into how to invest and what might appeal
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um so yeah awesome brian welcome good good to have you back and we'll see you again tomorrow
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um no questions all right well mark i'll email you that pdf so you don't have to go
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and um then um everyone else you know if they want it they can come to you and we will
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catch you tomorrow okay so thanks for that have a good afternoon everyone thanks
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see you and uh to everyone stay safe keep well enjoy your tuesday evening
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tuesday evening and um thanks so much for your input and hopefully tomorrow we'll have the same exciting day as we did today
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all right i'll leave you too thanks

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there you go recording in progress um so we are up to 24. um
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oh let's let's play a challenge does anyone want to take us through the cutokia
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got a couple more opportunities to step up to the plate i did a webinar earlier this morning and
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um someone took us through and i have to say i was better than my good self uh no just put
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your hand up if you do otherwise i will happily take us through it
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no no no we've still got two more days to worry about this uh
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thank you for listening to me again i'm hopeful someone else might take us through it tomorrow um and just in the middle there in case
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you didn't know that our new name retired commission
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is who we are and we're happily providing you with the sorted website we won't worry about that
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one but the sorted website is basically the little mouse as you know
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um and sorter.org.nz in conjunction with because the force
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financial hub is your own internal website for all things financial and it's marx pride and joy putting it
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together so just so you know mark is also on this call so um you look ask lots of questions
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um we can't give you any personal advice but the cool thing is with mark on board he can answer all the technical stuff
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about what um specific benefits there are um and also
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talk to the uh well the kiwisaver product as well as taxes over the product because lots of questions come
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up about that um and what else and then yeah it also refers to the sorted site so you can
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actually make use of both worlds really really well but sort of is all about giving you free access to the tools
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and specifically all the calculators on there we'll use one of them today as well as giving information to just
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really empower us to make our own financial decisions so you may or not
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may not remember um six key rules to invest in so we're just gonna have a quick recap by way of
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a video so you don't hear me talk all the time um and this is really just a bit of a
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recap but if you haven't seen it before it goes through the six key rules of investing obviously we're not going
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through all six again today but we are delving a little bit deeper into one a couple of them so here we go
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quickly watch this [Music]
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so
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just love it when i click to go to the next one it always replaces the video um so here's what we're covering today i
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mean there's five points so like i say there's quite a quite a bit of detail uh but just like yes and all the previous
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ones throw those questions through and comments because it's really what keeps the whole webinar alive not just me
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uh but it's actually your interaction with me so i'm looking forward to that um so active versus passive investing so
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you may have heard this term being thrown around before oh i'm an active manager and no i'm passive
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what are the two mean um and there are some other different investment philosophies
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sort of sitting beneath that as well um and really just trying to figure out are they buzzwords or do they actually
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mean something to us types of funds so
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sort of delving into how we invest into the funds and you
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know there could be what we call multi-asset funds so remember our four key assets we're going to touch on those
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again in a second um but that means multiple assets that's as simple as it is or there could be
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single asset funds so it might just be one asset might be cash might be just bonds might be just property might be
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just shares so types of funds that are out there how to pick the right funds so we're
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going to flick back to the sorted site and use the smart investor tool again which you
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probably all have used hopefully um but just sort of run through that really powerful and awesome tool
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uh speculating versus investing we've got a little bit of a poll there we made it really relevant because we're asking
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about crypto but just learning the difference between the two as a speculation or investing uh
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because it's it's a good thing to have and especially nowadays with um all this talk about fomo you know fear
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of missing out and i don't know if any of you follow any reddit threads but you know to the moon if that means
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anything and all these sort of mean stocks that have come about
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yeah you'll probably know exactly what i'm talking about if i mention that and then last but not least investing um
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income and capital gains so what does the two mean what is a what's a dividend mean uh some
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more sort of investment oriented or intake terms coming into it so yeah keep the questions coming um
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and we'll just get into it of course so remember
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uh i've talked about our four key asset classes um i'm not going to ask you to name them
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because we know what they are but cash bonds property and shares and remember that they sit on
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sort of two sides of the page remember one was our airbags and one was our engine and our car what what were the
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two names can everyone remember it was if i drew a line between
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bonds and property there was cash and bonds that was a type of newton
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asset and property and shares were a type of asset can anyone remember hey sam
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well done yes so excuse me uh income and growth so income assets
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are like our airbags and our car they're there to protect us um and hopefully give us a
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bit of a return and then our growth assets uh the engine in our car that pull us
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forward so the more powerful the more money you put into your growth assets uh potentially the easier the ride or a lot
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easier to ride but the quicker your journey to your destination potentially that's the key word we have to be able
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to ride through the ups and downs up time great times are really easy to
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ride through but you know when markets sort of drop or they go sideways for a
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very long time it's hard to keep that focus so remembering in our little six step video that time frame is so so so
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important so sam big shout out to you income and growth well done um
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and then if we took that next level down just bearing this in mind we look at our
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um you know in our investor profiles or our actual fund types that we have that can meet
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our investor profiles so you've got those mixture there i mean these are the common ones but picky and some fund
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managers call them things differently but generally defensive conservative balance growth and aggressive aggressive
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is easy to understand what it is and perhaps defensive as well it's just when you get to the conservative balance to
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growth it's a little bit sort of hazy as to how it's invested so
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generally speaking here's my little mask on if you look at a conservative you know if we're looking at that income
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level the airbags you would have you know close to
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usually conservative maybe 75 to 90 in income assets so
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anywhere from 10 to 35 in growth assets so
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very very small allocation to growth but it's all about the protection all about the airbags and then if you go to
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the flip side on a growth one it all becomes about the growth assets more about the engine than it does about the
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airbags it's nice and simple any questions that there was just a
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quick recap because you can start delving into things and just while we wait for that um now quick question what does
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liquidity mean to you all it's our first sort of uh investment term uh mark just so you
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know we're up to 31 which is cool so what does liquidity mean to you
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cash yeah oh that's my name's sake awesome um yeah cash cash is
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liquid yup but anyone want to venture against what liquidity
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means to us like guess cash is a liquid investment and that might sort of give away what
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liquidity meant
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ah sarah awesome love it um oh god now everyone's all come through at once um so yeah sarah how quickly you
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can get it into cash here so you know what are you invested excuse me
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what are you invested in and how liquid is that investment so if you're in cash it's pretty liquid isn't it because you
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can exchange that cash for goods and services whatever it might be but if you're in let's say a bricks and
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mortar residential property it's going to take longer to realize cash from that property
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either by way of selling it or by way of mortgaging it it will take time so it
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becomes a little bit less liquid or a liquid as an asset shares
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you know as long as there's a market for them that's the key are very liquid as well they can be bought and sold
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in a matter of seconds um so they can be treated or considered as liquid assets
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as long as it can be sold quickly that's the key and what have they got coming through so
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jonathan hit us with how easy it is to access your investments i liquidate yep perfect um
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what what you do have oh okay i think what you're saying to the person i can't say the name because
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they sent it just to me it means what you've actually got to your name is that what you meant um
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hopefully that's what you meant um yeah i think you can look at it as liquidity as me
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as you know how quickly can you cash everything up and have a pot of cash appropriate
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so what we need to bear in mind is with liquidity every one of these investment classes
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has different liquidity aspects or different characteristics to it i mean
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it's important to remember that you know if we're investing in cash bonds the reason why they are lower
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risk relative to property and shares and alternative assets
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is because they are relatively liquid and you can realize them relatively quickly okay
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when we go to property and shares uh and i'll talk about alternative assets because there's some things in
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alternative asset space that are not liquid we want a premium if we're going to lock
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our money away for a length of time because shares have a volatile nature
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property needs a long time to sort of come into its own if we're going to lock it away for that length of time yes you can sell it
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quickly but you need to give it time to to do its thing so to speak you want a bit of a premium on it you want a better
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return so hence why the return profile or the return characteristics for property
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shares alternative assets can be higher relative to cash involved
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and then so that there we have asset classes and then the other thing we need to be
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concerned with in terms of liquidity is the type of fund we've gone into
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so kiwisaver is easy because there's only two things it's either you can access it for your
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first home buy you can only leave a thousand bucks in there and that's it or once you've done that
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it's for your retirement that's the two things yes there's um
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serious illness considerations or financial hardship but generally speaking that's the two reasons
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that you can get your key saving money out so you could think of kiwisaver as
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being in liquid for us to use day-to-day but it is portable so you can
14:14
shift your kiwisaver provider you can change from a defensive to a balance to an
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aggressive or vice versa so we just want to be very clear about that there's two
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different types and a great example with the entity of flexi saver is it's a very
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um i guess liquid portable investment so the long investment markets are working
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well you've got access to your money you don't have it locked up so you've got
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access to your money i think mark was it three four days five days working days a week
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sorry mark good oh yeah cool correct just let it come through so you've got you've got a little bit of a time frame but otherwise
14:55
you get access to the money so that's really important and when kings over monies and i've just mentioned it's got
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alternative assets and you might have seen it that some providers are now moving into
15:06
uh private equity venture capital and all that means is that they're using
15:12
some of the money to fund a business that they believe has
15:17
great potential for the future very very high risk and that money you can't just request it
15:24
back so you'll actually see this as the market tends to develop that
15:29
private equity venture capital you're starting to see um i think there was alberium pathfinder
15:36
and even simplicity they're moving into community housing projects so they're actually trying to
15:42
use some of the kids over money to fund projects to generate a return from as well
15:48
so it's just touching upon the changing investment landscape and if anyone's got
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any comment on that feel free to send it through but we just want to be careful about
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the assets we go into and their what we call liquidity profile all good
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hopefully everyone if there's any questions coming through on that all right all right so let's ask the
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question um because i don't want to assume that everyone knows it or doesn't know it so
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have we heard about active and passive what does it mean to you hit me with some definitions
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and i mean i think to jonathan's question yesterday i talked about um we talked about value investing um so
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i'll delve into that a little bit as well but um this is just a nice nice little toe
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in the water on investment strategies so active versus massive i think i can hear keyboards clapping
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through my headphones um oh there you go mark's done it
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already mark well done uh actively try and outperform the markets yes um how the assets are handled by the
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manager oh very good yeah i love it very good anyone else want to venture
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so we've we've um so the person only sent it to me so i can't give you the accolades
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uh but yeah how the assets are handled by managers so how do they invest their money what's their investment philosophy
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and it's really important um so you may have heard of late because it's becoming
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very commonplace now about the ethics and the morals of how we invest money so
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this is about what is the investment manager's philosophy how do they take my money and invest it
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do they have a belief that the market is what we call it efficient
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so you can't beat the market you better just have your money in the market and let it go
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i.e that's passive management or do we believe there are pockets of
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opportunity where a manager can go into it make some money for the investors and
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get out and go into other pockets so active management so what do we think what what's our i
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wish i could take a quick poll actually what are we sort of where do we think things sit or actually my question
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more to the point is because you're with your kiwisaver manager and a lot of us have picked who
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we're with um are they active or are they passive
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see what comes through on this one so just to summarize as chat comes through
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active management is about taking money and you know i guess trying to beat the
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market but trying not all the time but trying to find pockets of value
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or growth where you can deliver better returns
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to the investors and a passive strategy is finding how you want to invest and just
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investing in the market according to your risk profile and sort of like the type just let the tide
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take you up and down but over time hopefully upwards um here
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we go cool i'm just catching up to the chat um oh brilliant thanks mark for clarifying that yes so enjoy saving
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schemes are actively managed so just in case anybody's thinking what's what's the most esteem or things in here
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so actively managed um lian's active dies active camera active
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uh we have here i have active my husband as passive he's a big consideration for this and that's a great point um
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so again you've just seen it to me so i won't say but this person brings up a fantastic point um what else we've got
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active active uh jonathan jonathan was a man yes so
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with these questions personally i think passive is best for long-term growth i.e index funds etfs and we're going to talk
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about those soon um statistically very few active fund managers beat the market long term yes and that's the great point
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about this question about active versus passive um and look i've been in
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financial markets 30 years so i've seen it come and go on both sides
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of the page so you know i'd like empirical evidence
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as what jonathan mentioned around statistically uh yeah 80 of active managers don't tend to beat the market
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on average consistently over the long term still leaves 20 that do so we just
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need to um be conscious of it and then our other anonymous contributor
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did mention that cost plays a massive role so you know
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and just look at it this way if you've got a manager that's hopping in and out of markets trying to sort of
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find some value or some growth for you that will cost a lot more time resources
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research than a passive manager that just seeks to put money into the market and let the
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market take it where it needs to go so cost does come into it so active managers on average
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tend to be more expensive than passive managers on average though it is
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getting cheaper on both sides but i do like your point jonathan
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but again it's you know i always i always think personally um warren buffett who's a
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very famous investor the sage of omaha wasn't just warren buffett but needs a name that comes to mind um he's an
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active manager but he buys and holds for the long term so and i consider him active because
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he looks at the market finds a company or two that he likes and researches
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everything about them so that he knows exactly their um their strengths their
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weaknesses the opportunities you know the old swot analysis of this he knows their
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potential over long term and then he will buy a stake in that company and hold it for the long term and when i say
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long term 5 10 15 20 years 20 plus years um he will hold it for that time frame
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so that you know that's an active decision to buy those companies
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so does anyone else have a comment about it as well and and some common uh names in new
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zealand if we're thinking about active we've got mercer um from uh working with the nz deer for the kim
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saber uh and i think for flexi saver components as well mark was that that's separate mess up
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sorry you can have mute as well if you like so it's easier
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all right that's good time so
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oh cool this is good oh yeah all managed by mercer so brilliant so you've got you've got mercer you might have a milford um you might have
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fisher funds you might have um aspiring asset management there's some
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names in there that i've thrown in there that you may not have heard of before like aspiring but um they are what we
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consider active managers and then brilliantly uh my participants here have come through
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with some suggestions on the passive side yes simplicity is passive um because they
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you know invest and we'll talk about indexes soon or interesting uh nzx smart
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shares have passive etfs or exchange rate funds yes um colonel was an interesting new passive
23:37
provider yep so you've got different names attached to each one um and it's really important
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to know if your own manager is a active or passive manager um because if
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you know if you have a belief or a philosophy yourself that you know i just want to put money in the market and
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the market will take care of it and i don't want to pay a lot for that then you want to know if
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your manager is a passive manager on the flip side if you have a belief in active management that active management
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can deliver you want to make sure that you are with an active manager and not someone that is sort of a closet
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passive manager and it does they are out there so they say they're active but if you look through how they invest
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their money it's not too dissimilar to a passive manager yet they charge high fees for it so it's things we need to
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start being aware of hopefully everyone's going right find out that passage but yeah active usually
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trade shares quite frequently looking to enhance the returns and passive buy and hold a range of
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shares and if you on your travels after today start looking and researching
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things there's two terms that come to mind alpha and beta so alpha is what active
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managers seek to deliver to you alpha and alpha is the return over and above
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the market return so market return we can think of as passive investing or
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index investing so that would be what we call data so you get the market return which is great
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but an active manager is looking for alpha returns um and another thing to look for as well
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don't always expect that an active manager will always always outperform
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you need to take it over a bit of a longer time frame so you know two three
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plus years rather than every month a month or every year because there can be times when the
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investment philosophy doesn't quite match up to what the market's doing so you need to give it time if you are
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with an active manager it's really important and then passive buy and hold a range of shares and don't get me wrong
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you can have an active and a passive manager in bonds
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as well as property but don't just think this is about shares is that all good any questions on that
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so we've now given you insight into active and passive management uh but if there's any questions do ask
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i'm gonna flick and then we're gonna watch a quick video from um well she's exited the business now but
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this is carmel fisher so she set up fisher funds and we're going to watch about 50 seconds because it's quite a long bit
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but the first 50 just talks through um around some of the fun types and
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makeups no questions going through cool all right so do come through i'll ask the likes of this particular here we go
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a manage fund is an investment where your money is pooled with other investors and invested in a fund that
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then invests in in assets be it shares or fixed interest or property or whatever
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now that's managed by a fund manager on your behalf and so when you invest in a
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managed fund you receive units in that fund at a certain price and the number of units doesn't change unless you put
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more in or take some money out but what does change is the unit price and the unit price will go up or down every day
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depending on the value of the underlying assets cool so
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what we wanted to do there is um is talk because it leads perfectly into
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so we i think you all remember a managed fund is exactly
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what carmel said a pooling of all investors money that are in that managed
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fund into a pot and then that pot is invested into different types of asset
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classes so all of those is a fund that is managed simple as that i know go figure manage
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fund um and one thing to bear in mind as well is overseas if you read us
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articles and so forth they talk about mutual funds uh same difference except we call them um managed funds in new
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zealand so just to be aware kiwisaver is a managed fund that's all it is
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and the difference being is that it's got some extra rules attached to it to make it kiwisaver and to make it
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compliant so what you've also got on the screen are two other types
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of well two other fun types so the acronym etf exchange traded fund and index funds
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so does anyone know or want to venture what an exchange traded fund is
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or even what are the index numbers
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or if you know if you're invested in a um
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awesome brian i'll definitely answer it uh if you are invested in an etf now or an index fund maybe just throw me out
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who you're invested with we can use them as great examples
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i've once read a stat about exchange traded funds um is that there were more of them than
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there were companies or something or other and it was like what how does that work
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um it might sort of give away what the exchange traded fund is so um
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oh here we go they're coming through i was waiting for people to type obviously um i'm loving this person she just sends
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it to me as anonymous so i can't say um but yeah love it here we go i'll just
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bring it up index equals following a particular index eg mzx 50 the nasdaq
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brilliant love it thank you perfect uh mark oh mark actually said yes in the pathway
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global responsibility fund uh so that's uh is that a etf or an index mark
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um thanks mark uh jonathan etf takes a collection of stocks then tracks that
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collection for examples and etf electric car companies i think jonathan's our resident uh investment expert that works
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in the nzdf so love it jonathan um yeah so it's a good way to think of it um etf
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exchange trader fund is like a basket of companies um or a collection of companies it's a
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great word that can be traded on a stock exchange and you know in the in the old days it
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was just a pure basic one uh but now you're actually finding that exchange or etfs will call them into yes
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but shortened to me um are being created to you know you might get like to jonathan's example
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one for electric vehicles um there was a uh the ken show moonshot
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fund etf which basically tracks all these companies um like space exploration or
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moonshot companies ones that if they succeed will pay off in the
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multiple multiple multiples um so hence what's called the moonshot fund but lots
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and lots of uh etfs have been created and you know disbanded
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daily to reflect um us as investors what we might want to
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invest in um so louise asked so is etf a group of companies yeah it can be or a
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group of assets um except the big difference or the big advantage is that you can trade it
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so you have what we talked about right at the beginning good liquidity to be able to trade that
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investment vehicle daily uh hourly even how often you want to trade it um so yeah you can have an etf or shares you
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can have an etf again for bonds you can have etf for property so don't think it's just
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limited to shares it's also other asset classes as well um so yeah louise i hope
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that answers your question um and then oh someone just sent through they've got the vanguard s p 500 easier
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so again it's a it's um yeah exactly right mark
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um and to that point as well your fund manager from time to time
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if you were to look at sometimes the top ten holdings or their holdings through a
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deeper report sometimes they make mad use of etfs or indices to invest in
32:51
to you know get the i guess the share market exposure they
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want um because it's very easy to do and very cheap to do as well
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um so louise hopefully that answers your question and yeah mark to that point yes you can
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buy them through platforms like hatch um chairs or stake and invest now as well
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um yep yep cool thanks jonathan i think we'll just pull you in who's my resident expert
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this will be brilliant um so yeah to that point uh mining companies and if they gain or lose value
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um the price of their etf will gain or lose value accordingly um so it's sort of
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like a managed fund you can sort of see similarities but the difference being is that you can trade an etf
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so you can hop in hop out do what you want it's it's a tradable instrument
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whereas a managed fund it's an application process and there's usually some sort of process to draw money out
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as well so it's not quite as liquid does that make sense
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hopefully that makes sense brian you said yes please to the definition of idiots hopefully that's
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cool as a definition yep sweet okay cool
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and then we also speaking of index funds so we now know that an etf can be
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created to you know collect up all these different types of assets or
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specific types of assets and create an investment vehicle for people so an
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index fund is what it well someone's already said it anyway um you know it's a fund you can
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go into to buy an index so an index is just a
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i think uh i guess a table if you want to call it a collection again
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if you look at our nzx 50 so that's 50 of new zealand's biggest companies on our stock exchange
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and if you when i say a table you'll have it all in the table format you have all the names and if you wanted to put
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100 into the mzx 50 you would buy that as an index fund and
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you know that your hundred bucks went into 50 of new zealand's biggest companies
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but within that index i know we're getting into the details so please stick with me um
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within that index the um i guess the
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the uh percentage or the allotment to each company will be according to their
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size in that index so if you look at our index i think you know if we rewound
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um a year or two our biggest one i think might have been zero or a2 jonathan maybe he could point
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in that right direction and then over time a2 has lost some of
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its value quite a bit of its value so it's still in the index
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oh a2 milk and fisher and michael healthcare will be the one
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you know it's still there but because it's not as big as it once was it means you'll have less money in that
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you might have more money in another company so that's where passive investment really kicks in because
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who knows what share prices are going to do in the future so are you better to have a share of an index where it
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doesn't matter you'll just get a share of everything or do you
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go with the manager that's active that looks at the nzx 50 and goes well that's great but i don't like a2
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i'm going to remove a2 from my investment portfolio and put that extra money into
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fischer and local healthcare so they can sort of try and you know use
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the index as a starting point but then move around it and try and find
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those opportunities does that make sense is that are there any questions on that
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oh good good question sam so are all index funds passive what about these years
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see we get getting into the nitty gritty um and please do sing out if it's like oh my god what is dana's talking about
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um etfs can be uh well i think if you think of it
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they're active in the way that if you've picked one that you know like uh jonathan's example of mining
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stocks or um uh what's the other one that you've mentioned um
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what was the other one you mentioned without being scrolling back to all the chat mining stocks and
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oh electric cars that was the other one um you know you sort of active buying them and putting
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them in there but generally you don't see a lot of change within an exchange rate of funds so you could say they're
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passive as well because they're very low cost and the reason why the low cost is once
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you've put it together you're not going to change anything it's that's how it is same with index funds yes they're
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passive because they are built to follow an index that's all it is
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so nzx 50 the asx 200 so that's the australian 200
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largest companies um on the news at night if you watch it the dow jones the s p 500 the nasdaq
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they are all names for indices i talk about indexes that's the singular name
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plurals indices but nasdaq is all the top tech companies s p 500 is the largest 500 largest us
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companies and the dow jones you think well there's got to be thousands i think it's only
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12 15. i think the dow jones is very small
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does anyone want to let you know i don't quite know to keep up with it mark if you have no or jonathan hit me on the chat
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but very very small but um sam does that answer your question about index funds
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cool that's good great uh and then jonathan just made a comment index fund is usually managed by a computer against
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the lower fees as the company running the fund doesn't have to base on the manager yeah it's it's all about cost savings um and i'll throw a spanner in
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the works onto that one before we move on um so louise just asked so what's the difference between a managed fund and an
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etf well it's if you think of it the managed fund is managed so
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it infers that someone is managing something on your behalf
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but i think if you think of it as like an extra layer because you might go into the
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managed fund that then invests into an etf huh when you're talking about this um so
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think of the etf as the i guess the end investment vehicle and a managed fund is
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the door that you go through to get into it so now you know if i thought back 10 years you
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had to go into a managed fund to go into market share markets let's say that now
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you've got the opportunity to bypass a managed fund go into a sharesies or a stake or a
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hatch or invest now and invest directly into etfs so
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they're similar and i think just because of the changing landscape
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managed funds are sort of still there you know you want to get someone else do it for you that's great it's all looked
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after and taken care of or you could you know dabble yourself and go into an etf through it through a
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sharesies and know that you've invested in the top 10 mining companies or the top 10
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electric vehicle manufacturers so hopefully yeah i don't think i've answered that too well louise but
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hopefully it's sort of similar oh yeah cool thanks mark so msn market
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provides a good daily report on how arc of course that's good louise um on how share markets around the world
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have performed here um index fund is a good indication how the market is performing
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yeah yeah i mean you remember um uh
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when we talked about this the other day where we had the levels of diversification and we
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went into different countries generally speaking indexes or indices um if share markets are good
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though all generally on average tend to go up but if there's a really bad day like the
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pandemic last year um most if not all share markets dropped so
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all indices dropped so but it does give you an indication of
41:37
the underlying economy as warren buffett sort of said once it's
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you can there's some sort of time delay i can't remember the quote exactly but effectively you know we're going to get out there
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it's a reflection of how well the economy is doing at the moment it might be a bit out of kill today now the one spanner i would
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throw in the works is an index
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is just an index it's not a um it's put together by people as well
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so um the reason and it's just to get you thinking so yes index is probably the
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the end bottom rung of passive management that's where passive starts from
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but the reality is someone still puts together the index and if you look at some articles in the
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u.s some indexes um oh no we're not going to put that in there because that's too high risk and we think that value is too
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high so it's not going to go into the index so even then there's still a degree of um
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human interaction going on so just bear that in mind as well uh what have we got here matcha said
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ends today of saving schemes and managed funds yes you use one fund manager mercer which then invests through 49
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world nine 49 managers which in turn invests in thousands of companies worldwide nine
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major investment types and that's the sort of um excuse me buying power if you like you get working
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through a fund manager you get the exposure to different markets that we as individual people probably wouldn't be
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able to access or perhaps even know about and jonathan said one example of an etf
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index fund is the vanguard total world this is an etf that has index funds of share markets from around the world yep
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and it's weighted to the um the size of the share market so
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if you look at the um uh we call it the miski aqui so msc i
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acwi so morgan stanley capital index um all country world index
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yeah exactly noise uh it's basically if you would look at that it's based on
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countries you know i guess gdp output size and the economy and if you looked at it
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if you wanted the new zealand investment in there it would be very very small because we're a very small portion of
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the whole world economy as such so you'll see fund managers sort of skew
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that slightly in our favor sort of a home investment bias so again that's an active decision
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making that allocation choice uh okay right um how are we going how's our how's our
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head space because we're you know we're talking a bit of detail here so we're good so far
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cool sam's good and jonathan appreciate what you're chucking in there mate it's um good stuff
44:45
um all right so we talked about this before and you know i might just go into managed funds this
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time a quick question is um
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has everyone had a chance to use this particular tool now it's been a couple of days
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yeah cool uh 7.2 trillion yeah vanguard the other big one's blackrock
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um daryl trillian bill as well so it's quite amazing um all right so what what i've
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done is picked on the managed thumbs and it's it's just adding another layer to
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this particular tool it's a great tool to find out those three key things that we talked about but what i'm going to
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show you now is just how to delve a little bit deeper um and look i've just picked growth
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funds and i'll just go with this first one key street so it's a it's a
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i think key streets are craig's investment partners offshoot um you can sort of see the mix which is
45:50
really important remembering our income and growth levers so if we want to maximize growth and
45:55
we're happy to ride the roller coaster then we want to make sure that our growth fund has a lot of money at work
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and share markets all right um this one is 65
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growth 35 income um and you know the average is 80 20 so
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it's it's below average in terms of investment so you know if you wanted to look deeper
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if you're with an active manager and they're putting a lot of money at work and share markets you'll pay for that
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if they're not putting a lot of work into the market and they're sitting on cash then
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you want to make sure you're not paying for that as well so my first question for this particular one would be
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well you're well below the average on investing my money in share markets
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but you're still charging almost equal to average fees high fees
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um what why why why are you sitting on so much cash and it may well be that the sitting on the cash to put it into the
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market when the opportunity arises but it's something you want to know because you're paying what 1.7
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for what is almost a balanced investment does that make sense
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hopefully that makes sense yeah cool all right good
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um and you can see the returns 8.24 versus 9.5 obviously below the average as well um
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so what we can do if we click on this
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um you can see that a link comes up so this is the the next sort of level
47:34
um and you may have already done this when you're you're building your short lists so it'll take you through to the
47:39
main website for that particular provider so you can see here you know all the all the accolades and stuff but
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we don't worry about that we want nuts and bolts so you can look at our funds
47:54
and you know you can view um disclosure statement that's very legalistic i
47:59
always think start with the fund update now if you really don't want to do this and
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just want to start learning it the easy way if you're with nzdf
48:09
kiwisaver the immersive fund look at your monthly update or go to force financial hub
48:16
and look at the update on there because it will actually give you a lot of information about what's going on so you can see here monthly fund fact
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sheet we'll just pick on october uh we will at the growth fund
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then any second now
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so you can see straight away you know some of the details the fees and stuff um you know you see the feed here 1.25
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but on the other page 1.68 so there's a difference so they must charge a performance fee in there somewhere
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that's why it's higher um but here remember i talked about the meci so this is the benchmark so an
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active manager will use a benchmark from this instance it's the morgan
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stanley capital index msci so they want to know that they can beat that benchmark with their investment
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decisions and you can see here for all the investments within it they've got different weightings
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and then here is the asset allocation you can see how they've
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invested the money regionally so what countries and then oh yeah so top top five shares
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top five fixed interest so alphabet apple and cash didn't know alphabet as google
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you know apple microsoft macquarie and amazon so very tech heavy uh in terms of this fund
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and so you know us-based eddy as well
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but the fun fact sheets give you a lot of detail and sometimes
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oh this one doesn't have it but sometimes i put a great little piece of commentary in there mark the the mercer
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one has or the nzdf one has good commentary in it i think from memory
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oh yeah um just yeah you're good yeah yeah yeah yes we we put out a monthly
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report that goes up on the force financial hub which gives a bit of detail but we try to strike the right
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balance without swamping people with too much information but people who want more they're welcome
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to come to us and we can give them more you know if they'd like it it's a case of striking the right balance between
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not not overwhelming people with too much technical information either yeah
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yeah i know it's a fine balance isn't it um and hopefully we haven't um inundated
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people with technical stuff today but no this is this is very good this is very good okay cool um so yeah so there's
50:44
just a quick example or i see someone's asking another quick question um a quick way of delving that little bit deeper so
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rather than just looking at those those three key things that we had right
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there the assets the fees and the performance
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we can actually now look at the manager and this is why i've always said build a bit of a short list maybe two or three
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names four or five names if you want um just so that you can start comparing things because um t street is active
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um but my first question will be why they're sitting on so much cash because on growth i want to know i've
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got at least 80 of my money in share markets and if i don't have in share markets
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then i want to know why if they are expecting a big crash well so be it they're active
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you know how long do i give them until they get it wrong because at the moment they're starting to lag behind the rest
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of the marketplace so it's hopefully starts getting you to ask questions we had a question here do
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you rate these guys other than just how they present their data i.e um i mean it's they're
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an offshoot of a brokering firm um so you know just like any other
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kiwisaver provider and it'll come down to your own preference and i think weigh it up
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in the shortlist if you like the sound of keystroke put them in there but weigh it up against you know the benefits you
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get through your employee scheme your employee kiwisaver scheme
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as well as you know performance comes into it but look at it at five years plus don't look at the short term stuff
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because everyone can change year to year easily
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and look at the fees it's really important because every fee that you pay for every percentage point there's a
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percentage point less that you don't get to have in your back pocket um
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so any questions there i just want to take you a little bit deeper without getting sort of too complicated on
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things but a little bit deeper on that tool um and we just use the managed funds one but you can do the exact same thing with
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gamesaver now uh
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oh one quick thing i'll mention as well so i just have to lower your hand um is if you do build a short list you can
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sign up um to their updates so without being a client i mean this is how i built my
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knowledge knowledge initially and this is how i still read my investment stuff every month
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um i get two or three different fund managers signed up to them and i get their monthly reports and i have a read
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through and it's really really well if you're interested in it interesting um so it's a quick way to start building
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that knowledge as well so question for you all what's the difference between speculating and
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investing whatever
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yeah yeah my namesake's doing well less risk and investing yep investing requires research yep love it
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um so a good example would be if i bought a farm speculating comes with higher risk but higher potential turns yes i love it
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jonathan you must be an advisor somewhere in there because you used with potential always usually potential um so
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if i bought a farm if i bought it to produce an income i
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want to grow some avocado trees produce avocados to sell to bring us an income that would be investing because
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i'm making an investment to produce an income and to have a more
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tangible result if that makes sense um i could also buy a farm
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on the bet that land prices might go up and it might get subdivided into land
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that can be developed so that would be speculating because i don't know if it's going to happen
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but if it does i'm in the money so there's there's a slight key difference into jonathan's point we can use it to
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our advantage depending on how long we've got to invest for
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so you just want to be clear about that and it comes down to
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why are you buying so it's the same with investment assets why are you buying
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game stock shares are you buying it because everyone on the reddit thread said to the moon
55:27
if everyone keeps buying the price is just going to go up or are you buying it because you think gamestop is a great business and can
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actually sell and do a lot from your bricks and mortars stores um big difference between the two
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hopefully that makes sense just sort of touching on that just to make sure so just in that vein here we go let's run
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this poll um do you think cryptocurrency is
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speculating or investing um so oh here we go we've got two oh none
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on the western side speculation i know someone's going to break the mould here it's anonymous i can't tell who's done
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why
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oh there we go we've got investing coming through as well um now in case i know we've got two
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minutes so we're getting towards the end but um i'll stick around for questions so in
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case there's lots of questions we'll happily stick around um all right we'll just send it there i mean the majority
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here i'll just put this up on screen you know and majority said speculating um but a few of us said investing and it's
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look it's interesting it's a sign of the times uh but crypto you know or blockchain the
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underlying technology may have a future but a lot of it has still to do with
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getting regulations in place and making sure that people's money is protected when you
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invest in these things all right so next question for you all um how can we derive income from our
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investments well what can we invest in or what some
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some words you've heard in terms of income
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talk about capital gains so the price of shares going up oh there we go
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ian just about got there i know ian did get there actually die came second uh dividends yes so um
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dividends perfect dividends from shares returns on property exactly right um oh what's happened to my little
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picture oh i had a perfect little picture about the coffee company that's cool that must
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be inspired um on maybe fridays about shares um
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staking cameron can we just clarify you said staking was that a typo
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um yeah dividends exactly right you buy shares dividends now if we don't need that
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income this is key we don't need it get it reinvested now if you're in a fund manager or with a fund manager that
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should happen automatically dividends don't tend to get paid out or interest payments from bonds don't get
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paid out unless you're in a specific type of fund so for our kiwisavers ah crypto cool thanks cameron um
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for our kiwisaver it gets reinvested so that is something like this graph here
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remember i think we talked about it yesterday a little and long every time a dividend is paid or an interest payment
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is made it's used to buy more assets so it also it sort of becomes like the snowball rolling down the hill getting
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bigger and bigger and bigger so that's how you need to think of it um so while we don't need that income
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use it to your advantage to buy more assets now for those of us that have done a sharesies or a um
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a hatch or a invest now or state whatever it might be
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you will probably get dividends paid out to you because they're your assets so dividends come into your cash account so
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just be sure that you use those dividends to then reinvest it's just another quick
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easy win in terms of making sure that you're actually
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using your money as best you can so cameron you might want to clarify
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staking because i don't quite know that term in terms of crypto because i'm nowhere near crypto stuff
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um but i'm guessing it's a way to make money off crypto let me say
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um so today what have we covered now we're at 201 um active versus passive so
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we hopefully know the difference between the two and um i think cameron might hopefully
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be helping me out with the definition of that uh some types of funds that can
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address that so manage funds etfs in the index funds um how to pick the right funds so using
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that tool and delving just that little bit deeper and going into the fund manager's website and finding a bit more
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info speculative versus investing so knowing the reason why we're buying and then
1:00:02
last but not least if we're getting uh or cool no worries uh catch tomorrow as well um and knowing
1:00:09
the reason why we want to invest because that can help
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let us know if we are just speculating on an investment or inves investing for the future um
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oh okay so there you go so mark plots it out uh also plot the dividends each year to ensure i'm getting a reasonable income
1:00:29
stream on investment so um obviously i'm not going to go through goalless but
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if there's anything out of today that you're going to do please please please commit to doing it write it down
1:00:40
where at the end i'll let mark do his bits this is for tomorrow optimizing your
1:00:46
investments uh you're curious over how much fees time in the market ethical investing so we're getting a little bit deeper into other areas and friday
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culminates and how do i buy shares um over you mark and i'll um pop up the
1:00:58
feedback link okay thank you very much dennis that was really good uh just a couple of points
1:01:05
for people who may not have attended the earlier sessions we do have a resources guide anyone like a copy of that please
1:01:11
just email benefits at ncdf dot mil dot nz um
1:01:17
there is a as dennis alluded to again today there is a rafter material available much but it's free there's a
1:01:24
variety of podcasts and webinars and things like that so please you do take the opportunity i know we're all time
1:01:30
for but it is really worthwhile spending a bit of time looking at some of this information if you want to if you want
1:01:35
to do so second thing is in addition to the sorted site and there is a lot of really useful stuff on the sorted site as
1:01:42
dennis commented we do actually have information on the force financial hub and you can also access milestone direct
1:01:50
limited that's our financial advice service you can use them they actually have
1:01:55
information on um you can either access them directly
1:02:01
through the force financial hub or through their own site milestone direct limited but you'll see they also provide
1:02:06
information on investing and they actually do also provide an investment service for people who are
1:02:13
wanting to invest but are a bit anxious about it and not sure how to go about it doing anything else so milestone will do
1:02:19
that for people they do actually charge for that service so that's one of the factors that you weigh up but they will
1:02:24
then help you select what may be the best you know companies for you given your circumstances and and everything
1:02:30
else but thank you very much everyone and i'll stay on the line with dennis to answer any questions that people may
1:02:35
have cool thanks mark um oh thanks cameron not not sure how it worked depending on
1:02:40
the crypto um yeah and it does sort of um i mean we talked about you know how do
1:02:46
we earn an income of shares and dividends there is the other aspect around capital gains
1:02:52
um excuse me and and then you start looking at other
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investment classes like gold for instance this is why people say there's no utility in it because you buy gold
1:03:05
and you have to rely on the price going up to get your money out or get a return
1:03:11
out of it there's no other return on the money um oh what i've got here can you explain
1:03:17
the pharma analogy again please with the investors oh yeah cool no worries um so
1:03:22
i mean the farm analogy is hopefully so it's it's the reason why we buy an
1:03:30
investment so if i bought i don't know the farm and popcorn which is just outside where we
1:03:36
live and i bought it for the fact that i
1:03:41
could put sheep on there and derive an income and that income's going to you know hopefully add to the pot and keep
1:03:48
me happy then i've invested because i'm probably going to improve things and make sure
1:03:54
that the lambs or the sheep or whatever derive a good income from me and my
1:04:00
family and provide for our future so that's that's an investment decision because i bought something that can
1:04:06
return me an income if however i bought that same plot of
1:04:11
land then that there was like i bought it because oh my god there's there's urban
1:04:16
creek and i just know it's going to be rezoned at some point you can you can argue it's an investment
1:04:23
but i don't know it's going to happen so i'm speculating that the land value will
1:04:28
go up because it's going to be rezoned
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yes there might be an income from it but it's not my whole reason for investing initially and it's the same with our housing market at
1:04:40
the moment a lot of people have moved away from okay well what's the rent return i get
1:04:46
on it versus they're all looking at well what's i've seen the capital gains 30
1:04:52
last year i don't i definitely want a piece of that so they're investing for capital gains which is not a given
1:04:58
that that is definitely speculating we're actually hoping that the next person will come along and pay us more for our house so that we can
1:05:04
get more of it by the cherry or more return on our money so to speak hopefully that answers
1:05:10
a little bit better about the farm analogy cool yeah good um yeah gareth morgan's
1:05:16
quite open about the fact that he has a variety of properties around the place ten plus houses he doesn't have any
1:05:22
tenants on them because he doesn't want to have them damage the place but he holds on to them because he knows you'll
1:05:28
get a capital gain when at some stage he sells in the future yeah yeah well i look at my little cul-de-sac um
1:05:36
there's two um i don't know reconcile type unit type things sold on the corner
1:05:41
uh that was settled three weeks ago both still empty um so i'm sure that what they're going
1:05:47
to do is knock it down and put a little development on it but that's two houses taken off the market then
1:05:53
yeah yeah which is going on all around the place yeah going back to the gold thing dennis just
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looking at our report um commodities for the year end of the 31st
1:06:04
of october actually increased by 35 sorry 43.1
1:06:10
and that was a combination of gold silver and oil because oil prices started shooting
1:06:18
up but again uh there's always that that reference to being that if you want
1:06:23
something really safe and you can't go wrong investing in gold and silver and things like that
1:06:29
well it's it's a sign of times too because you know when inflation goes up commodities are the first thing you look
1:06:35
at to benefit from you know inflationary pressures um i saw a graphic today and
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you know copper i was going to ask you copper made up quite a bit of that as well because copper over the last 12 18
1:06:46
months has just been skyrocketing and there was one graphic that showed you know with all this
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uh talk and turning to efficient
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like solar energy wind power you know non-non-fossil fuel dominated stuff
1:07:02
um the copper piping from one um wind turbine to generate and was about
1:07:09
that thick and if you think of these wind turbines that's got to go from the bike to the base of it to the generator
1:07:14
whatever up to the top and it's that thick and that's all pure copper
1:07:19
it's just amazing how much demand there's going to be for these sorts of things now and you see a lot of
1:07:26
investment managers maneuvering to you might have seen news about cobalt
1:07:31
so cobalt's going to be a very very important ingredient to electric vehicle manufacturers
1:07:38
so you know the u.s has almost closed their eyes to it not really seeing the potential but
1:07:45
china sort of moved in and trying to close down all the cobalt supply so it's just going to be an interesting world
1:07:50
next five ten years oh and the other one is lithium uh for um conductors and things like that um because again longer
1:07:57
term uh that's what people are looking at and where there'll be um a requirement and
1:08:02
things um going back to the milk thinking to milk and
1:08:07
that sort of thing um again long term uh i think we've got about seven and a
1:08:13
half billion people in the world now it's projected to be about 12 billion by 2050 and those people all want to be fed
1:08:21
uh they want access to clean green products and things so that's where
1:08:27
food things like a2 milk and things probably longer term have a good future because purely of demographics and the
1:08:33
fact that as people get more middle classes and you see that in china and india as an example they actually want
1:08:39
to have access to better quality food and they also want the nice things in life that the cheeses and all that sort
1:08:45
of thing that all comes from from dairy products as well so longer term i think there's you know if you do your research
1:08:51
and everything else i think there's probably reasonable uh reasonable long-term investment things like investing in in
1:08:58
the dairy industry and things like that yeah well it raises a very interesting point because
1:09:05
um if you look at dairy and who knows i mean does it sit on the side of being very natural or is
1:09:13
it very environmentally damaging based on the amount of nitrates and stuff that goes in the soil so you think okay well
1:09:19
what's the what's the best sort of outcome there but then you also look at
1:09:24
i think we got given a free bottle of oats soy and some other
1:09:31
thing as a milk derivative so it's caramel obviously it's not normal but now they're looking at growing meat
1:09:38
or milk in petri dishes so effectively you're going to have the same tasting thing but grown in a lab
1:09:46
so then it becomes a margarine versus butter argument which one do you have and yeah it's just
1:09:52
gonna be quite exciting in this future hopefully i've got another 50 odd years to to see what comes up
1:09:58
um good luck to good luck to living in south auckland with another one and a
1:10:03
half million people did get us i know well there's going to be houses right up to the bombays no doubt no time at all
1:10:10
um uh oh someone just commented what would be classed as the safest place to put
1:10:15
your money when the proverbial hits the fan ha ha gold precious metals is one just answered anymore wow
1:10:22
well i think what's if we looked at the the gfc back in 0.70809 when things
1:10:28
really hit the fan and that was when everyone thought that capitalism was just going to end overnight
1:10:36
there wasn't really a safe place you maybe could be in gold but the reality is
1:10:42
we operate on cash cash is what we use um and cash is what sits in our bank to
1:10:48
our name so you've got to have faith that i don't know i i have that faith that our system
1:10:56
still rely on the fact that i've built up a certain amount of money in my check account that is still valuable to me
1:11:02
in a week or two's time if you're going to hide i think fund managers do try and protect passive ones
1:11:08
can't because you've just got to ride the market active ones can depending on what their
1:11:14
rules say what we've seen japanese yen gold maybe
1:11:20
u.s government treasuries again you're still at the whim of a government once needing to pay you back
1:11:26
so i don't know if the proverbial sky fell i don't know if there's too many safe places out there but
1:11:33
i think the other thing though dennis is i've got a book here called a random walk down wall street which is
1:11:40
written by a champ called burton mayfield and it's very a very good read and he talks about the historical
1:11:46
american share markets going back to 1865 the end of the u.s civil war and um since since that period
1:11:54
about on average every seven years there'll be a downturn whether it's a global financial crisis an asian crisis
1:12:01
twin towers attack or whatever else about every seven years on average there'll be an animal
1:12:07
turmoil and the markets go down and then they bounce back and they start recovering and so the
1:12:13
over the last 150 plus years um people who've invested long term in the
1:12:19
share markets have continued to do well but you have to ride out the
1:12:24
um you can you can expect every five to seven years there'll be a downturn for
1:12:29
whatever reason and you just ride it out you don't panic and then hey presto over
1:12:35
a period of things start start recovering and and they bounce back again exactly and jonathan grows that point
1:12:42
just now i think it's important to not react compare and trust your plan lots of money i've lost selling time yep
1:12:48
exactly um and jonathan that's a really good point so last year at the height of the downturn with the
1:12:54
onset of covert in that period late january through to i think it was the almost the end of march
1:13:00
we had about a thousand people who changed their investments in our schemes
1:13:05
and they tended to go for more aggressive growth poor photos down to conservative
1:13:12
um and what the and we were putting out bolotns every two to three days advising people don't do anything the world's not
1:13:18
going to end um don't panic or anything else but unfortunately a thousand people what a reason they decided to make the change
1:13:25
and what they did then is they turned a paper loss into a real loss by making
1:13:30
the time and making the change at that particular time now people have to be comfortable if people are losing sleep
1:13:36
with their investments and stuff like that then obviously you you you go to
1:13:41
something that you feel comfortable with but we do provide a financial advice
1:13:46
service to help you with all those sort of things as well and so we do encourage people that if you're feeling unsettled you're nervous
1:13:52
or anything else then pick up the phone and give our financial advice service a call and have a chat with them before
1:13:58
you do um anything that you may sort of come to regret yeah yeah always always get advice and
1:14:04
just i'd be wary about reading um well even watching the news at night
1:14:11
because you know if it bleeds it leads almost and the bad news that gets presented would make anyone never ever
1:14:18
want to invest ever again um and mark gets a really important point
1:14:24
that you know the value does go down but if you have a look at what was on the top five of that manager it was
1:14:30
alphabet amazon apple so these are companies that are
1:14:36
not um fly-by-nighters they're not the the one that's on trial at the moment
1:14:41
where they came out with a blood diagnosis machine thing that doesn't work these are companies that have got proven
1:14:46
cash flows that are sitting on i don't know billions and billions and hundreds of
1:14:52
billions of dollars worth of cash that they could just use in times of need
1:14:59
so you know whilst the sentiment may be that apple drops 20 30 because the work
1:15:05
the world was caving in the fact is apple will recover and sell more apple stuff i mean
1:15:11
crunkies they're selling little apple cloths now like where does it end there was a there was a great comment
1:15:18
too um mark louise suggested that we should do a podcast
1:15:24
talk for africa so you may regret that noise um beneath mate yeah some lost in an
1:15:31
area of 30k were changing well actually personal example for everyone here i was at westpac at the time
1:15:36
and when i resigned to go somewhere else i had to take my um super policy out and
1:15:41
guess what time it was it was the gfc i lost you know 30 odd percent pulling
1:15:48
it out and by the time i got it invested that's how much well 30 percent loss is what i had because i obviously had to
1:15:54
reinvest in somewhere else but that's at times um but yeah it's just it's
1:16:00
it taught me a valuable lesson i couldn't help it but b um you know having that time frame is
1:16:06
really important it can't be understated um if you go back to your comment earlier about warren buffett you know
1:16:12
bachelor hathaway which is his main company i think for memory they invest in something like 50 main stocks
1:16:18
and they hold on to them long term and that's things like apple and alphabet google
1:16:24
coca-cola outfits like that and very much long term and now they're up and uh
1:16:32
his personal worth is over 100 billion but berkshire hathaway is worth in the sort
1:16:38
of um almost at the trillion dollar mark i think um now in terms of and that's just
1:16:43
mind-boggling when you think about in terms of the number of laws um but again what he's done is very much taking a
1:16:49
long-term perspective and he looks very much you know where does he see growth coming and and so
1:16:56
coca-cola as an example is a good example where um the the first world i guess is
1:17:02
getting more and more nervous about coke because of all the sugar content and everything else but
1:17:07
um asia and africa um are now seeing the opportunity and they love coke and so
1:17:12
while must one market shuts down there's another market that um opens up um as these countries become
1:17:20
more middle class and everything else and things and so it's it's very much again you know taking a long-term
1:17:25
perspective yeah exactly and like i said he's making an active
1:17:31
decision to to invest in those companies but the only difference being is he just buys and holds for a very long time and it's
1:17:38
not often themselves out of the holding and they did a couple that we
1:17:44
thought it felt things were wrong um but yeah it's um it's a testament to their
1:17:50
research and uh stickability i guess really yeah and they of course they don't pay dividends
1:17:56
either so very much the focus for the organization is on the capital growth
1:18:01
that one gets longer term rather than getting an income stream coming in each year that's one of the
1:18:08
things you weigh up if you decide to invest in them is how important is their income stream to you yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:18:14
that's actually one thing i forgot to mention if you do buy individual shares uh through a platform um
1:18:21
a really cool thing because i've bought my own shares and you know because you're in the industry you've
1:18:26
got to do this otherwise you don't know you can't really talk to what you're talking um but it's really cool that you get voting
1:18:33
rights so you can you know for us companies you're getting sent papers to you know
1:18:40
vote yeah on director's remuneration or increase the direction of administration or changing directions of a company
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and it actually makes you feel really really involved and it can
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mean a world of difference for someone that does want to you know invest ethically um
1:18:58
try and affect change on an individual level um those sorts of things you can achieve by investing directly into
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shares and it's also if you want to do it through your fund manager
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ask your kiwisaver manager how what they do with their their votes how do they
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support your you know delve into tomorrow about their investing but how they support your own sort of views on
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the changing world order or the changing use of fossil fuels or those sorts of things
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so yeah lots lots of things come into play with um you know kim's having to be thought of as a nice
1:19:33
simple thing but man there's lots lots in the background that can really show that yeah so what happens we we look at
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dennis with uh because i'm cdf's representative on the investment board so our funds we've got
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666 million it's part of a 12 billion dollar pool invested by mercer new zealand and
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there's an investment committee which i'm cdf's representative of when we meet about every five weeks um
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and one of the things that we look at is how active are the managers in terms of trying to influence decisions around
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esg factors environmentally socially governance factors and one of the things we ask is do you
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actually attend will you get allocated so many seats on a board how active you are are you and
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participating in the board decision making to try and influence behaviours longer term and that's one of the one of
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the things that we actually look at um around how we write particular managers from an esg
1:20:31
perspective oh it's brilliant it's really good because that's the sort of thing that
1:20:37
you know it may come out once a year in an annual report but you know when you're looking at your
1:20:42
monthly report it's not something that gets talked about too much is it so that's that's brilliant
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um anyone else have any questions i think we've dried up in questions
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oh there we go good on you cameron what is the best way to buy shares in overseas markets well
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hatch is limited to us at the moment but through that you can buy
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etfs that have access to different markets if you go to sharesies
1:21:15
they have australian new zealand and u.s markets on offer
1:21:21
and again they have etfs that can access different markets invest now is not direct shares but they
1:21:28
are more managed funds and all you just quickly google the name invest now and you'll see what i mean uh but they're
1:21:34
all managed funds and they actually have a crypto fund in there cameron i think would you ask about
1:21:39
crypto or talk about crypto um a crypto etf that's been constructed in new
1:21:45
zealand um so there's that um so different flavors and i think steak i don't know much about steak do you know
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much about steak mark um a little bit um don't have access to the same or more
1:21:58
markets that one i think they have access to more yeah
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the only thing to keep in mind with stake is it's an australian-based company yeah
1:22:09
offering their services here so just um obviously in order to do that they have to be signed off but it's still another
1:22:16
layer of well they're not in new zealand so perhaps there's a bit of a risk to
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just be eyes wide open really but also you also have to be mindful of the tax
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implications yeah good point um scott mentioned steak has an app so there you go i know i know
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hatch doesn't because i use hatch but um they don't have an app you have to load the page shares is i think hasn't
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happened yeah yeah they do yeah and invest now i don't think does uh but cameron hopefully that answers
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your question about that um cameron if you're going to google money
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hub and you can sign up for that that's a free service and they wrote a column i think it was
1:22:59
around august september comparing the different platforms um and so have a look at that that'll
1:23:05
give you some information around the plus and minuses of each of the different um platforms
1:23:11
just cuts down the amount of time you have to do spend on your own research
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thanks mark all right any others we've still got 12 they're all just quietly listening to
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what's going on they must be our voices [Laughter]
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but any other any other questions tomorrow we're covering well you know what we're covering optimizing your investments
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um so yeah just some just some key points i really and then then friday obviously
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we're talking about um buying shares i think what do we call it getting started with shares
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that's right brian like being called a gent it's because i'm old now this week for me
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uh thank you um cool all right well i think the questions are done and dusted so thank you so much all thanks mark
1:23:57
yeah dennis um unfortunately i've got a double booking tomorrow because i'm
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doing a navy presentation at the same time so what maybe it's picking rights over us
1:24:08
my apologies my apologies but i'm sure i have no doubt that you will do a fine job um but please just remind people
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about the benefits email address and anything that people want so just email benefits at ncdf.net nz
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uh and but i look forward to joining you again on friday great look forward to that then and enjoy your meeting with
1:24:27
the navy and let them know that you've missed a really important meeting for them oh well indeed okay
1:24:33
take it easy thanks very much everyone have a good afternoon see you all keep safe stay well see you tomorrow

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booths with you um uh so yeah we'll kick start now my offer is open as always does anyone
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nobody's gonna do it oh so close i was feeling confident um tomorrow tomorrow
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is our last chance for someone else to take us through it um you know i am slowly getting better
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at this but i'm sure there's someone out there in the crowd that can do better than me uh
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so thank you for listening and it's a good way to start um and you know today's session
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uh is about uh well we call it optimizing your investments but
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it's it's delving a little bit better and a little bit more um some philosophical a little bit assorted
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um but otherwise hopefully the content will hit the mark um
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you may have picked up in the middle there as well you can probably certainly mention this uh to add
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is our name for the retirement commission as such um and we provide the
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been sorted.org.nbc prolific with his sharing which i greatly appreciate i'm looking forward to a bit more today john
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um and you haven't missed much as well uh now also i've mentioned mark williamson
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the nztf benefits manager is not with us today so if you're going to ask me anything curly about the benefits of
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mgdf i'm probably going to go i don't know the answer to that one
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so what i'm quickly going to type here is the email address
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that you can send any queries to dot in zip
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benefits at nzda dot mil dot nz send your queries to that email address and
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uh mark will definitely answer it within a day or two he's very uh on tour in that respect
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um so what actually because we've uh we've only got a limited amount of size i just
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wanted to touch on did anyone do any research from sort of yesterday's
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discussion points because we talked about active and passive and you know what what different
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investment strategies and philosophies that investment managers might have did anyone do some delving and figure
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out what their what their manager is like and any surprises just ask that question because i'm quite interested
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so plug in the internet is just like a delay again that's cool what i might do while i wait
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for any answers to come through uh you've got an average price of a loaf of
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bread on your screen so you can sort of see you know a loaf of bread back in the day
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um well equivalent 10 cents because back in 1940 we've been using since
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um but you know you can see it's steadily rising so we're going to talk a little bit about inflation
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does anyone care to sort of quickly type in what inflation means to
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us and why is it important to be you know just aware of what inflation does
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so what does inflation mean and um why do you think it's important that when we look at our investments we need
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to keep one eye on inflation as well the life bread that you can see might
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actually give a little bit away
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oh we're on pause here come on come on oh here we go here we go dinho good
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first well done uh dollar value of goods and services increases over time
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uh and owen the value of the dollar chance yes yes exactly right so our our humble loaf of bread
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from 1940 has gone up in cost to well 2018 to 3.20 and you know that's
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three years old so uh chances are i think a loaf of bread might be slightly more expensive than that so it's the that's the cost of
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goods and services going up in value but also it's our currency our dollar
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devaluing over time because what it means is you can't buy as much as you once could
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and what have we got here we've got some comments coming through uh reading quit like a millionaire
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currently very pro efts but like warren buffett oh okay yeah yeah um uh etfs i'm
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guessing exchange trader funds yeah um yeah we talked about those yesterday and
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i can't say the first day because it just sent it to me but that's cool um we talked about um managed funds exchange traded funds and
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index funds yesterday and managed funds because you're buying reports and manager experience and
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research and all that sort of stuff in the one tend to be uh a lot more expensive than say an
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exchange traded fund or an index fund um but uh yeah quite like a millionaire
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there you go there's a recommendation from someone uh we just had a comment come through as well if you don't earn
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more interest capital gain on your investment in inflation then your investment is actually
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declining exactly right so and it's something that we always find hard to explain because
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if you look at your bank statement you'll see it's about 100 bucks and in 20 years time if you did nothing to it
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there would still be a hundred bucks so it's hard to see well i've still got a hundred dollars but it's we call it
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the sort of the stealthy ninja that just come along and steal your money very quietly but it
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just happens slowly over time it's really really important so if we're
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investing long term um yeah medium term yeah really to long term so let's take
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as an example our accumulators are very invested long term the last thing we want is to get to the end and find that
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we've got i don't know let's say half a million bucks in our kiwisaver but actually that half a million only
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buys half that value maybe 250 000. there's nothing worse because we've spent a
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lifetime building it up but inflation just nibbled away at it
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over time so there was a really great comment that yes you need to make sure your investments can generate a return
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over and above inflation as well um us jonas is on the boil here uh
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inflation occurs primarily as the reserve bank prints more money each year this is necessary to encourage spending
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and borrowing uh reserve bank aims for two percent massacre both too high and too low is dangerous exactly right
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so let's run a quick poll uh where are we polls
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and and i know i know i'm not bathed in orange it's a different poll so
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hopefully on your screen now i know it says untitled but it's a little bit separate um how much would a dollar one dollar
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from 1967 be worth today so feel free to click your answer if you
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can see it uh 1 cent 5 cents 20 cents 56.
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all right we've got nine nine of 10 24. again i can't see who's voted i always like to say this
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um we've got seven to go six to go keep them coming keep them coming and
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what we're actually going to do is um i'm going to show you a cup inflation calculator on the reserve bank site give
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you the link as well because it's quite a useful exercise to look at things uh four to go four to go
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and i know one person can't do it because they've rung in so that's that's cool so
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give it three seconds two seconds one okay all right there we go let's just
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share the results so we've got one oh three at one cent um 11 of us at
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five cents you know so that's where the majority sits at five six um four at 20 cents
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and three of us are 50 cents so you know even at 50 cents uh i know 67 to now is a lot of time but
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that's half the value of your money which is gone it will still show a dollar in your bank
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account though that's the difference so you'll still see a dollar there in your investment or your bank account but
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the reality is being able to buy stuff with it is only going to get you 50 cents worth of stuff
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and to jonathan's point yes inflation is generally accepted as a as a thing that
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needs to be in the money system so to speak um too much is not good because that's what
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we've got at the moment but also going the other way going negative and they call that deflation
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that's not good either and that can happen when people expect prices to go down and then they think oh well i'm going to
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wait and then they hold off their buying decision which means that you know if people hold on to buying decisions
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especially as a mass businesses aren't generating enough revenue they may have to lay off people
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unemployment rates go up and it just becomes a bit of a spiral downwards which is not a good
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thing so it's a very finely tuned balancing act so here we go what i'm going to do is hopefully this will work
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because i've never gone off prezzo to a website to run it through with you so
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you can see here um can i just quickly confirm you've got the reserve bank
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web page on here at the moment yes cool thanks sam um so you've got here inflation and what
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i might do is i will copy this link
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and just paste it there so if you do want to have a look at it at a later date can uh now you can see this is from
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2000 to now and to jonathan's point or yeah i think
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with johnson's point inflation's quite high in mind it's 4.9 according to the reserve bank right
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um you can see that just off here 4.9 and you know there's all sorts of
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reasons for that i won't go into it but it is high it's the reserve bank has a um
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has a mandate to keep it between one and three percent on average two percent
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uh and remember it's over the medium to long term so they don't they don't worry too much about it in the next six twelve
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months but further out they want to know that it's going to be between one and three percent
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um so that's where just jonathan's comments talk about two percent that's the midpoint just so we know but you can
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see over time it's gone up come back down gone up come back down let's meet some
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peaks so four percent in 2007 then it reached five percent sort of in the just
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before the global financial crisis so 0.709 uh then dropped back and then 2011
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peaked again and dropped right back and it's been quite sort of flat for a period of time
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and then obviously oblate 4.9 what's one thing you don't see on this
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graph so we're seeing all sorts of positive numbers but what aren't you seeing
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anyone click it
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exactly grime perfect chocolate fish to brine gets top marks there's nothing negative
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so negative means that inflation well it's become deflationary so prices have
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actually reduced so it's really important to know that because you're starting to see now
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i was 4.9 this year and maybe it was what one and a half percent last year
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so you start adding these numbers up and i'm going to show you a calculator in a second when we work out our dollar from six and seven that these numbers start
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accumulating and unless you've got your investments working harder for you especially more so in that growth side
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remember the two levers then it's going to be very very hard for your money to grow ahead
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of inflation does that make sense has it anyone got any questions on this
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so i'm going to skip out of this one i'm going to go to our little calculator um
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so what you've got here is the reserve bank calc and it's on the same website but i'm
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going to give you a link here with me so that should be showing for you now
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and this little inflation calculator you can basically say on the drop-down box you can
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specifically pull out certain areas of the consumer price index the cpi
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um or you can just do general so i'm going to put a dollar we got it in
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1967. always go too far
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there we go 1967 and we want to compare it to today yep
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oh no how can that be
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service says unavailable due to technical issues please try again later that's so
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um all right so yeah actually what we might try and do is
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let's just see if we can change it no no okay all right well i was going to be all
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whispering and show you what the value of that dollar back then um
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has reduced to now so ah that's not yeah exactly exactly gotta
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love technology at least it wasn't me this time um so someone asked why not aim for zero so no
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pricing or no inflationary pressures in there what do we reckon why don't why not aim for zero
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because at the end of the day if you think about inflation affects me it affects you because we're out there buying stuff
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and what i might just show you actually i'll get this off the screen because i'm sure it's clogging up the screen
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as the consumer price index itself cpi so you probably if you haven't delved
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into it it's a figure you see on the news sometimes and they talk about oh the cpi today from reserve bank because
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they're 4.9 meaning and what does it mean um so you can see
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on the screen here the consumer price index and i might just share this with you as well because it's slightly different to the reserve bank
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um it's from stats and zed it talks about 11 consumer price index groups so you've
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got food housing health recreation education communication clothing for air transport
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alcohol uh household content services and miscellaneous and you can see here this
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goes slightly further back um
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uh 2017 sorry a little chat came through i'll just have a look at that in a second but you can see again it's been
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positive but in june 20 the quarterly change it actually did
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get negative so it did reflect a price drop um and it could well be i don't know the
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pure reasons but if it's anything in food to do with fresh veggies there may well have been an oversupply of a very
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very popular product um and if that's the case then that can reduce prices and then reflect as a
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price decrease um so yeah what have we got here so too much we don't have control over imports
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could reduce profits um yeah it's i mean we are an importing nation
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so we're sort of you know our currency is free floating which basically has an influence
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because if it becomes if our dollar becomes less worth uh well
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uh if there's less worth in our dollar uh overseas goods become more expensive which means the prices go up which can
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be inflationary as well i won't make this into economics 101 i promise
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um the key thing uh what's this here a certain amount is healthy plus zero percent is very close to negative
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inflation that has bad connotations um yeah i'm not an economist i don't know why i
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couldn't keep it at zero but um a certain amount of inflation
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in the system um it's i think someone likened it to a um
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to like attention because if you've got inflation things are growing
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and it pushes demand
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yes jonathan yes and an easy way to think of an inflation pressure and we can see it
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as employees is if unemployment rates are very very low which they are at the moment
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and it's getting very hard to find quality people to put in those jobs
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then you become a very um preferred candidate to a either stay
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in that job or potentially get poached by another business i'm talking very simply but on a whole this is what can
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happen and you may have heard the term in the media at the moment the great resignation
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so people are at the moment very much in demand experienced qualified people
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are being enticed and it could be in new zealand or it could be in australia so australia is the same thing they've got
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a recovery going on they want to build things and their economy is a lot bigger so they can offer a lot more wages so
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you're finding people in new zealand might get poached across the ditch not at the moment it's all locked away but when it opens up
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that might be a bit of a brain change so in this sort of economy it's nice to
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have a good tension because costs going up um
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unemployment because it's another reserve bank sort of criteria that they want to have
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within a range they want to make sure unemployment is get carried away you've got a nice balance between you
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know expecting things and also paying for things so to speak if that makes sense um so i'm just trying to
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keep up with this chance as well so what have i got here um oh so everyone's read jonathan's comment yes if you have too
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much money in the system it can push inflation up um
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but like i say i promise we're not going into economics uh and one last one jake incentivize economic development yeah i
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mean it's um it's one of those things and this is the last thing i talk about inflation and then we're going to link it back to our
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investments but it's one of those things where if you like the us they gave
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everybody a stim check they used to call it a stimulation check so people
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effectively it was like a helicopter and just throwing dollars to the people so everyone got a certain amount of money
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that they could do anything they like with it so that is starting to have a massive effect
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uh well inflationary effect on prices because we've seen the share market go was banging away um you know crypto
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currencies any sort of asset you've had all sorts of new assets come around as well uh nf teams
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non-fungible tokens or web and wacky things so that is highly inflationary because
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there's another component to it but how quickly that money gets into your hand and then into the system
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but uh to to just jake's point if you're doing economic development
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like infrastructure spending that's a slower sort of introduction of money because you're actually building things
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that can last the test of time and the money is going to a few limited
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areas so you it could be inflationary but it tends not to be whereas giving money to people directly and then going
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spending it can be highly inflationary uh what's wrong with the uh government asked the reserve bank to print a lot of
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money in times of prices so there was more for them to spend it's called qe for example the u.s treasury last year
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238 of all u.s dollars on earth yes it's pretty scary um the other thing it does
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for jonathan's comment is it keeps interest rates down and that was the
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whether or not it was a mistake by our reserve bank they did at their version of qe they
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were buying government bonds it pushed down interest rates which meant that it kept it very
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stimulatory so low interest rates mean people have got more money businesses can spend more on capital acquisition
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whatever it might be because the cost of borrower was lower and now we're sort of seeing the other
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side of it where maybe it was a bit too stimulatory house prices rocketed away
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um very very tight job market like low unemployment costs going up or we need to pull some
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money out of this super into the economy but if you want to have a look at the stuff the links i've given you
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can sort of talk it through but the key is i'm just going to test this again
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okay all right we'll get rid of that one sorry the key is is when we're investing for inflation or
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taking into account inflation we need to make sure our investments can
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do the utmost to stay ahead of us does that make sense
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so i'll just see if there's anything coming through um so when we're linking it back to
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um our investments and i'll just get back to our presentation here now
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is trying to pick the right fund for us and this is why it's so important so you've
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heard me half about it oh there you go cheers sam it must be my browser got the
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calculator working it sees a basket of goods and services that cost one pound and quarter 167 would have cost thirty
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nine dollars um in quarter one at twenty twenty one so um a really extreme example of
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inflation can be if you ask your parents or grandparents how much their house cost when they
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first bought it you're probably going to get 10 000 20 000
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as a purchase price i know it sounds really weird compared to the million plus prices now
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but the price of a house back then is effectively what you can buy a new car at now
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that's that's sort of a real bad demonstration of inflation but it
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can happen like that and if inflation gets out of control you'll have things like
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germany had just after was it just after world war one i think
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they had hyperinflation so effectively the value of your money was dropping
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hour by hour and people were buying loads of bread with a wheelbarrow full
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of deutsche mark so that is not good at all you can't have
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what they call hyperinflation you can't have deflation you've got to find that happy new year um so just on that note
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here um and thanks so much for doing that sam it's good unless you got it working um
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as if we started investing ten thousand dollars uh over 25 years adding fifty dollars from tweet you might remember
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this graph from yesterday i think we sort of showed that on day before i think um
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your results will probably be somewhere in the shade of the area and i do apologize
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where my cursor is i think you can see my cursor the yellow line is you know
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what could have happened based on figures but then based on the return estimates that may sit either
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here at the lower yellow dot or here at the higher yellow dot so somewhere in between all right
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um i'll click on this again so in this example ten thousand becomes a hundred and thirty one and a 000. all good
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now that is a share market return after tax
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after fees and importantly after inflation has been
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allowed for and i don't know if you remember a long time ago we looked at a um retirement card pay remember there's a little
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switch at the bottom of most calculators where it talks about inflation allowed for inflation
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yes no they should always default to yes and it's really important so that the figure
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you see on your screen is in what we call today's money
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so if anyone's sort of stuck on this what are you talking about today's money for um send it through in a chat and
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i'll happily clarify again but always always always when you do a calculation
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allow for inflation so that you can see here it's been allowed for and that has still
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been the return of growing ten thousand dollars to a hundred and thirty one thousand dollars five hundred
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in today's money even though it was over 25 years
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all right any questions
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i think trust me once you get the concept of inflation when you start making investment
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decisions you're going to just keep them in the back your mind so what we've seen a lot of or what i saw a
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lot of in my banking games was lots of elderly people had their money on term
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deposit and what they would do because interest rates were super high well super high say nine ten percent that's pretty high
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for a bank term they would take some of the money from that interest
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or take all of the interest whatever it might be use it to live off and then reinvest it
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and what's happened since then is because remember the percentages are always positive
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every year in terms of costs going up you know three four five years later
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interest rates have dropped right down but what do you think costs have done had they dropped right down as well
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let's see who's quickest on the keyboard
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so exactly and with an exclamation mark no this uh no so you now had a case of
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elderly people had weren't earning as much of their money but then also
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what they had to earn off it had to be a lot more to pay for things so then what they started to do was start eating into
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their investments to pay for things and too much inflation is not a good thing trust me
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um it's good if you've borrowed money because that's the flip side of it jonathan do you want to sort of lend a
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quick type in on that one why inflation is an okay thing for people who borrow money
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so when you're considering your investments property and shares
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shares you know can experience a little bit of ups and downs but those are the ones that you want to be in
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if there's going to be inflation over the long term and we know there's going to at least be
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2 inflation or even 1 so you want something to grow you want a little bit more in the engine
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even when you retire you want to have something in growth because at 65 to
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90 it's still 25 years that's still this whole time frame here that's really really important
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any questions on that does anyone want to know why inflation might be good for people who borrow
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money
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well nothing's come through yet so i'll give that a couple of minutes oh there we go
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yeah exactly so there you go residential expert jonathan you're gonna have to chuck in your phone number so people can
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bring you when these sessions finished um yeah because if you borrowed money for a loan let's
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say you bought a house in auckland it's a million bucks that's your loan amount so if inflation
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goes higher let's say it's gone up five percent likely this year um you're earning an income
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in the in a year's time you're going to go to your boss and go hmm cost living increased boss um you know
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costs have gone up five percent i want my wages to at least go up five percent as well
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depending on the boss then i'll be like yeah good point good point dennis i'll agree yet five percent done they might
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say no um but generally speaking the salary will go up with the cost of
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living so what that means is you've still got a million dollar loan but now your salary's gone up by five percent so
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you've got extra money so to jonathan's point that that million dollars
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doesn't look as much because your salary has gone up and you can afford to pay more onto it
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if that makes sense so you know when we talk about high inflation there are some people that are like yay
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can't wait for that but it's not a good thing yeah that mine now has everyone here
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picked their own investment strategy or fund like what's showing on screen at the moment
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if anyone hasn't just hit no and that that's all good cool one person has
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i have two people we've got some hands going up yes all right cool more hands yep
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i'd love my call and user to try and put their hand up but special shout out to the call-in
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user because i really appreciate the fact you've made the time to dial in um and yep through keemstar awesome okay
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cool so i haven't had any notes which is brilliant um and it's really important so what is the what's the lever we want
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to be invested in to try and beat inflation over the long term
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is there a member of the lever what it's called the engine in our car
31:25
growth awesome thank you thank you sam um i had a question there as well want to know what to do when retired or not
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will not want access or money for many years um yeah exactly that's uh well i shouldn't say exactly it's a great
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question um you'd want to have a chat to someone and i think
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because it's milestone is the financial um planning arm or financial advisors
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attached to engineer have a chat tonight because what you want to do is exactly what we're doing
31:56
now is figure out what sort of fund is right for you what's your investor profile what's your
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time frame what goals do you have and map out a strategy based on that so
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you know if you hit 65 let's say you retire at 65 and you've got a dollar of money there
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and that dollar money realistically if you're fit and well at 65 you can live another 25 30 years easy
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so it needs to last you for that time frame so it needs to have a little bit of
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remember growth so thank you sam for saying growth um so where are we to get these potential
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results higher so that a you can enjoy your lifestyle and b
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you can continue enjoying the lifestyle into the future because you're you're making your dollars work and earn
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and be valued enough five ten years in the future to keep doing what it's doing today
32:54
does that make sense and uh
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cameron uh do you want to just finish off your statement there because all i've got here is does um so maybe you've
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started typing that user by accident but um if you want to finish what you're going to ask or say
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all i got was does sweet so yeah so really really important
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level of risk for defensive but likely ups and downs is low but the potential returns are low so remembering
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time frame very important versus aggressive yep great you've got
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the maximum amount of growth in your engine but your ups and downs a lot more but
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those potential rewards are a lot higher but again if you've got the time frame to do it oh sorry okay that's cool
33:42
all good um so just as a bit of a refresh
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great question so someone just asked uh what if you're planning to use your kiwisaver to buy a first time what lever
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is best for that so okay let's open this up to everybody hit
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me on the chat with your answers and i'll frame it so we've got a dollop of money um to the person to ask the
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question when do you think you might need that money out let's start with time frame
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two to three years okay cool so let's go back all right so
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in two to three years time is there a time frame on screen at the moment that sort of matches that
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defensive yes yeah so defensive does so the time frame's right
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but you ask what the lever is so what's the um to everyone what's the characteristic
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of defensive where is most of the money in the engine or the airbags income
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income assets exactly cheers sam on the button um so income assets so it's all
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about protection yes i want a little bit of a return but it's about protecting my
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capital first and foremost um what i would do if i was you
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in terms of your kids over for your first home because two to three years
35:16
just matches up with a defensive investor i would bring up the provider and have a chat to somebody there that
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is qualified to you know ask you the questions take you sort of a
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risk profile just to be 100 because if we look at
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um just bear with me and we can do this with the sessions a little bit more open
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kickstarter
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at least this website works if we look at a defensive investor
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it's still a little bit of a possibility to go backwards so if for you if i was looking at that
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and you think no i don't want any backwards possibilities then what you need to look at is a cash
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fund does that make sense
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yeah so um jonathan's great point there i'm in that situation as safe as to switch to 100 cash fund um however
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personally i've had to i have a bit of buffer to weather some dips in the market and have my kiwisaver and
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simplicity server fund yeah so um that's the thing as long as you can ride
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it out then that's great but if you're getting very time frame
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aware as in you have to settle by a certain date and it's still in the markets then yeah you can take the risk but just
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know uh a defensive investor might have negative one they might have negative two negative three percent return
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just at the time you want to settle um so i hope that i think i got a big thumbs up so i'm guessing that that
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answers that question um very very cool now where did i go i sort of went back a page here so let's
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go back so for those of us
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i know everyone's i think everyone said yes but if anybody hasn't chosen their fund
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we want to make sure that a we've got control over it and b
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it's actually meeting our needs either now or into the future that's the key and inflation is
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one of those sort of criteria in the back of our minds um so what we're going to do here is
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oh cameron i'm sure you wait for me to look at the other screen asking a question um how quick can change between
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funds um it's usually because don't forget you've got you your provider and then in the middle
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that's iod so the process to apply to switch your kiwis over to another provider
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is as soon as you do it online with the new provider and then it might take a period of time
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between the old provider id giving it to your new provider in terms of switching funds in between
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your new provider your same provider it wouldn't be that long at all
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days if not within a week it should be pretty quick so if you're looking at things and you
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suddenly got to settle on the house in three months and after this session you're thinking damn i really need to sort this out
38:28
then talk to your provider and ask them how quickly can it change and you'll probably find they can do it then
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overnight the next day i think that tends to be the process does that answer that cameron hopefully
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um where am i going so if we click on if
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you have never done this before in terms of this profile just a bit of a recap this is so important
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click on step two make the most of your kiwisaver and if you just scroll down
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you can see here how long before you expect to start spending your money okay i'm going to have zero to three because that's
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our um home buy what's most important getting back at least as much as i've put in
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uh what range of gains or losses are they comfortable with zero to five i'm going to say that
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see so here it says defensive um and then all you do is click on smart investor and remember that yesterday
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today then you can start filtering down all the funds that you might be able to
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or managers that you might be able to go with to meet that need of a defensive investment
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um so cameron did it answer your question about switching okay i did
39:39
cool great so just as a bit of a reiteration again around keyword saver i know we focus on
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keywords over a lot but it's about sharing that load over the time of your entire journey so
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i don't know why we did it in different shades of orange but we did um so you've
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got employee contributions you've got employer contributions so the three percent or the four percent matched then
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you've got your government contributions which we're a lot higher to begin with but now 521 bucks and then most
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importantly you can see the biggest factor over time is the interest or the growth you can
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get on your funds so if you've got a long time frame and you haven't picked your your run
40:23
your keyboard save strategy you might well be in a very safe option when and giving up the potential for those
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huge returns so to speak that might be on offer from share markets
40:36
um all right so yeah excuse this graph um but has anyone
40:43
heard term time and market versus timing the market
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oh yeah we've got a couple of uses you may hear it um oh we've got a yes
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for dinner on set that's awesome that's cool um you may have heard it before and thought really what does that mean uh and what
41:10
comment here if you're staying long enough then you'll make money well hopefully potentially you'll notice any good financial advisor
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always says potentially we just can't give guarantees um
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is you know there's no shortage um yeah exactly if you're trying time
41:30
getting in and out then you have the risk that you get it wrong aka catching a falling knife exactly yes
41:36
exactly right um there's no shortage of people on the internet on tiktok on youtube on instagram on the
41:43
news no less that seemingly think they could predict when markets are going to
41:48
take off or when markets are going to crash trust me i get lots and lots of research
41:54
and you know some of them are a little bit like oh it's going to crash it or everything's right for crash it's
41:59
exactly like it was back in 2001 and it's exactly like uh pre 1929 uh the
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market's going to crash and and the reality is someone will get it right at some point if you keep saying it long
42:10
enough they'll get it right but no one knows that's the key so when we're um putting our strategies
42:18
in place putting our investments in place it's really really important to remember you're doing it for you for you
42:24
your family your whanau your needs your wants your goals and objectives that's it um the person on the news or on the
42:31
youtube channel whatever it might be doesn't know what your opinions are so they may be trying to make a name for
42:37
themselves whatever it is so the graph you can see on screen at the moment is quite a timely one
42:43
so again we've picked different shades of yellow not sure why uh market so this
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is the market return drops and then and what do we think what the reason was
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for dropping i mean the date will give it away
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or we've got march 2020 yep covet perfect yes covered
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so you know share markets dropped about 30 uh if you didn't check kiwisaver or if
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you checked it a couple of months later it would have been a blink and you missed it because the chair markets recovered but that was the share market
43:24
and then interestingly this these this sort of more yellow yellow line um fun switches
43:31
out so it's actually a capture of what people do with their fund um and it's fun switching in general it
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doesn't it wasn't all growth to conservative or conservative growth it's just fun switches in general
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in new zealand so you can see it's quite active oh there's a there's a drop here oh there's a blip up here
43:50
uh it's sort of you know little drop but pretty flat for a period of time
43:56
there was a massive uh push on fun changing then not quite sure why may well be a
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concerted program to get people to change from default to their accurate profiles
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excuse me but you can see here the moment um covert started wearing its head around the world
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people started switching their fund and in the moment it dropped and it did drop already
44:21
people really started switching their strategies some may have switched it to be more
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growth focused but a lot changed it to be more conservative because i was thinking oh my god i've lost
44:32
15 of my funds already i don't want to lose any more and it's it is in hindsight the worst thing that can be
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done because here you go we've all switched and then the market bounces back and now it's back
44:44
oh this is always last year so it's come up again back to where it was pre-coded
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um so trying to time it and bear in mind you're making a
44:55
decision or we if we're changing it we're making a decision after the events already happen and
45:00
markets have probably priced that in so we're we're reacting way too late
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um what was the comment that came through here people have delayed buying a house for the last two years awaiting a housing
45:12
crash meanwhile house price has gone up 30 yep and to that point i won't say the person
45:17
because they've just sent it to me um i know of one uh one couple the kids of my
45:24
clients that they sold their house thinking that prices were going to crash
45:31
and this is their own family home sold it waited and now can't get back in the market
45:38
because i either there's no supply of the houses where they want to look will be the prices have just gone silly
45:45
um so to to try and do this timing with your own family home that's a whole new
45:50
level um and you just just can't pick it really um so i'm just going to show you another
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quick web link i always do this i click on the zoom control and
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then it drops in front of the web pages i wanted to go to um this is just a random web page so i
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won't give you the link um but this is miss the worst days miss the best days
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and so just illustrates the difference so one dollar from 1990
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through to 2020 ish um so all day so if you are invested in the standard poor's 500 s p
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500 for all the time between 1990 until 2020 you would be up here somewhere
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yeah if you missed just the 25 best days
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you can see the difference it's read your return you would have been better taking no
46:45
risk and just invested in u.s five-year government bonds
46:50
so that's just 25 days over where we talk about 30 years
46:58
can you see that the reason why we don't want to try and time things does that blow anyone away
47:08
time in the market beats timing the market uh it's why it's important not to create a plan exactly exactly right
47:14
you've got to stay focused um and this is why we um
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i think there's another graph here
47:25
so this particular graph is all days so here we are uh missing 25 best days obviously
47:33
missing 25 best and 25 worst days so yeah you do come out ahead
47:39
so that's basically missing the uh what's added into that mixes missing the 25 wastage markets drop
47:46
um but here's the question i'll pose to you we'll go back to this graph is let's say
47:52
you called it right you got out of the market just before the pandemic
47:57
my question usually is well how do you know when to get back in
48:03
so how what what is there a value you wait for is there
48:09
good news you wait for or what how do you get back in because the risk is
48:14
just like our presentation graph you know you might have timed it
48:19
perfectly let's say you've saved 30 you're in the money you're in cash
48:25
markets start recovering and then they take a step back because do you pull back out again because things are looking bad
48:31
so it may be easy to make the decision to get out but when do you get back in
48:40
yeah there's all sorts in the us around so cameron ray's point about when insiders are
48:45
buying and selling on the market again it's a it's a human being unless it's inside of trading which is highly highly
48:52
regulated against you would like to say um it it's still a human being
48:59
making a bet effectively okay well they might know microsoft's going to buy some extra widgets
49:05
and they might do better next year but you're talking about if you're trying to avoid crashes you're talking about
49:12
massive massive market movements uh in the industry we say stuff like
49:19
yeah you can you can pick some of the micro movements some of the more immediate movements but
49:25
it's notoriously hard picking macro and macro is big stuff
49:30
big movements um how does that happen and over a very long time frame as well
49:36
uh so yeah you can find a website that does that i think it's in the us there's something that shows and there's
49:41
research things that you can access as well that shows inside of buying and selling
49:48
might be an independent who knows
49:55
a good point good point um so to cameron uh jonathan raised a good point to
50:02
counter that one uh but yeah so you can see trying to time the market is it's a false error
50:08
and if someone gets it right yes they'll trumpet it loud but to do it consistently over a long time very very
50:14
hard to do uh almost almost impossible so uh to jonathan's great point remember
50:20
why you invested remember your strategy um and you know stay the course
50:26
because if your time frame hasn't changed if your needs haven't changed and remember as well remember here where
50:33
it dropped you're on kiwisaver your money is buying more so when things do recover as they did
50:42
you're because you bought more that was worth more um as markets recovered as well
50:47
any questions so far no i'm just talking
50:52
infinitely at the moment so i just want to make sure are there any questions this session's a little bit more open
50:59
but it's it's just you know getting around the i guess more the philosophy and
51:06
more of the thinking about the things we need to keep in mind i don't think anything's come through
51:15
all right that's cool um so what i'm going to show you now is
51:21
a little piece on ethical investments so um
51:27
of course under sorted there's something called the kingsaver
51:32
fund finder all right so if you go into that i'll show you i've got the other side of it here you'll see it looks very
51:39
similar to the smart investor where you can
51:45
do how it's invested fees and performance they can see it
51:50
except the only extra thing here are services so it's another way to filter a
51:55
short list of candidates and what i might do is oops
52:01
just give you that link as well okay um so what you can see here is what
52:08
sort of funds such best and you can put growth and suddenly it comes up a lot quicker
52:14
69 funds and you might want to have services as first
52:21
so new zealand funds kiwisaver scheme their services are 100 so they have really good service and
52:27
support all right and then the next one down is asb balanced at 93
52:33
or you might say no i want to find out lowest fees first so there you go it's the invest now foundation series growth
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fund 0.37 simplicity 0.38 juno point four seven smart shares point
52:47
four one or you might wanna do returns and you can see here key strength is an
52:53
equity fund i think this is the one that came up when we were doing it last time uh 14.47
52:59
um anyway it's a quick easy way to figure out a list but the one thing i do want to show you
53:05
is ethical things and when you see ethical ones it will
53:10
mean different things to different people and their show details so these are um
53:16
now this is probably the only page oh jake now you're getting technical
53:23
i'll um talk briefly to that after i just finish this piece um these are the funds that you can access where
53:30
um oh it's probably the only page on the sorted site that will actually sort of list providers surprisingly
53:39
following schemes have a framework in place to filter out investments that can that could be considered unethical such
53:45
as tobacco weapons so it names all the fund managers that have framework in place
53:50
um and then you can also go through specifically um specific ethically
53:56
orientated funds and i'll just pick out one amana growth fund
54:03
so hopefully this comes up
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oh there you go um it takes you through to the
54:16
smart investor just trying to find where is it
54:24
oh it doesn't say oh you have to go to the website um the reason why i clicked on this one is it's a muslim
54:31
um faith-based fund so it just means there you go strictly uh sheree
54:40
so they won't invest in companies that lend money out and charge interest um so it's
54:45
uh according to muslim uh based faith and
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uh morals as such um so yeah that's a different type of ethical front i don't
54:56
know if that surprises some people but that is out there as well but there there is a list of some of
55:01
them the other one is well we don't tend to the one thing we'll caution against
55:07
using this particular website is that everybody that's listed on here
55:12
pays a fee to be listed on here so it's not quite a capture all
55:18
but it is a useful um sort of questionnaire where you can actually filter down
55:23
you know i might be not don't want fossil fuels but or tobacco pornography but heck yeah
55:31
let's go weapons and i want a real alcoholic company type thing
55:36
um you answer some more questions here that suits best yep uh yeah low fees
55:43
yeah i actually will make low fees a little bit more important my risk profile i'm going to be
55:48
high returns 30 to 100 21 plus years
55:57
and what you can do is quickly click on it and then based on your ethics that you've answered it'll
56:03
give you a bit of a short list well a list of funds that may actually match up so you can see here pathfinder kiwisaver
56:12
meets my void's concerns pretty well and applies higher standards no three-year data and their fees and
56:18
you can easily see okay great i've got a bit of a short list so that is mindfulmoney.nz
56:25
but like i say we don't like to recommend that one too much because
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they only have a very small assortment of investment managers that pay to be part
56:36
of it but it can be helpful in trying to start a bit of a short list has anyone
56:42
actually invested with a manager because of their ethics
56:58
oh quiet on that one i thought it better say something because i don't think i'm frozen uh
57:04
no okay that's all right is ethics important to you
57:09
like knowing how your money is invested and it's very personal like in terms of
57:16
you know if it's important to you if it's invested in fossil fuel companies or are you
57:22
invested in more pv uh solar alternative energy based
57:27
companies so you know do you do you have a stance on that does anyone have a stance tonight
57:36
uh i had no idea about choosing basically thanks okay you know it's cool it's just it's the great thing about the
57:42
kiwisaver market is becoming more and more developed but now we actually do have a choice about who
57:47
manages our money um now one thing i should point out as well
57:52
not go back to our presentation is that um
57:58
there we go is um the default kiwisaver if you're a
58:03
default kiwisaver provider the government has mandated that those fund managers have to abide by
58:10
um almost a government exclusion list so there's no fossil fuels
58:17
no armaments and a couple others so if you're in a default fund you can be
58:22
assured that it meets a little bit of that criteria however if you want to have more control over it you'd have to
58:28
go out and choose your own provider based on those things um that is cool but if you have to go watch
58:34
the recording again i don't think there'll be too many questions but there might be um
58:40
so we are you know that's the that's the end i told you this session was a little bit more
58:46
well not loose but um only a few slides and was more about getting your opinions and feedback on
58:52
things uh now jake asked the question um where are we
58:59
how can you calculate the tax leakage of respective funds
59:04
um and probably let's start at the basic level and say if you're in a pip
59:10
investment scheme a portfolio of this entity or a pie not your apple pie or mince pie
59:16
um but a pie investment now all kiwisaver investments are pies all right you need to make sure you get your pir
59:23
rate uh at the right rate all right um now i might just
59:29
stick around if you can i'll just quickly show you where that is so on here is get your kiwisaver right
59:36
remember the six steps and getting your kiwisaver on track
59:44
and if i scroll down check your tax rate and it's really easy
59:50
to do so is your income less than 48 000 each year oh let's hit sometimes you may be paying too much tax in the
59:57
kiwisaver have a look here and contact cubesat right so if you look here we'll take you through the iod
1:00:07
and then it's a tax page which is not exactly
1:00:12
helpful because you don't want to go to a tax page what you want to do is search pir
1:00:24
find my prescribe and destroy and let me do that as a link
1:00:35
so work out my prescribed invest rate you can say what type of best are you
1:00:41
can you save a member what's your tax residency new zealand
1:00:46
kiwisaver and then it's going to ask you do you receive income from overseas
1:00:51
no and either last two income years watch your taxable income less than 14 no
1:00:57
in either the last two years what's your tax will income less than 48 and if you have no
1:01:03
you have few outcome and it says you should be on 28 if however you answered in this and you
1:01:10
had one year where your income reduced you know it then asked you an extra question and either the last two years
1:01:18
was your taxable income plus your income less than 70 000 and you could say yes
1:01:24
and look it's a difference so you've now 17 and a half percent
1:01:30
versus 28 so that's let's just call that 11 saving
1:01:35
that's an extra 11 that you're going to generate right that's cool uh thank you you've got to
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go you've got to go hopefully we'll see you tomorrow um so always always always as a first step make sure you're on the
1:01:47
right pir rate because you may be paying too much especially if you haven't actually um
1:01:53
chosen your provider and you're in the default scheme the ird did do a bit of a cleanup a
1:01:59
while back but you want to be in control of these things nothing worse than that paying too much
1:02:05
tax and not being able to get it back so that's the first piece jake's question about tax linkage
1:02:12
is about how investments are managed in the fund and i think without me boring everybody
1:02:18
in detail i would ring the fund manager because depending on how they've structured the fund
1:02:24
in terms of costs and how they invest the money offshore some fund managers and funds are very
1:02:32
very tax efficient and others not so much so
1:02:37
i think bring the fund manager and ask that question sorry jake i can't probably answer that question
1:02:42
what's this question can a family trust invest in a pie managed fund and pay just 28 um yeah they can it's a family trust is
1:02:50
another legal entity and you know you've got choices in terms of what the ir rate can
1:02:57
do you can't do kiwisaver obviously because your family trust but your pir rate can be anywhere from
1:03:03
zero up to 28 uh and zero tends to be for charitable
1:03:08
um or charities i should say um or it can be for where people have
1:03:14
losses accrued and they get zero percent so that they don't pay
1:03:21
tax because it's an efficient way because they've got losses to use but again that's getting into
1:03:27
complicated tax arena so we might go there um cool all right that's good
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then answer that question um any other questions on just while i wait i'm going to pop up a link
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now do do send us feedback about content about these things because
1:03:45
it is a what we call a pilot what we've tried to do is
1:03:51
break up the um the old get invested course which was
1:03:56
over two days and a lot of employers found it quite hard to commit two days to a big topic like
1:04:03
that um so what we're trying to do is break it up into five modules alright stacy see you tomorrow um five modules
1:04:10
so please do send us feedback that the contents hit in the mark or if we could add more to it
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um because it will be really really helpful which will be cool all right
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any other questions for me it's a little bit different without mark because marks and all these sort of banters are going to have a break
1:04:34
i don't think there's any questions all right so keeping in mind uh inflation
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so all good nathan uh keep keeping the vacuum on inflation and the need to grow
1:04:46
your money ahead of it uh and remember as well that if we're picking our
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investment strategy or the type of investor we are um that a we're comfortable with it and b it matches our
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time frames um and just making sure that it's got enough of a
1:05:03
bit of oomph in there and the engine to grow ahead of inflation and remember if
1:05:08
you're ever using a calculator just even play with the button turn it on and off the inflation button just to see the
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difference but always always leave it on that would be the key
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and the last bit really to end it off is time in the market not time in the market
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all right nobody can pick it and as long as you stay invested up till this point in time it's rewarded
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those people brilliantly who knows what happens in the future but you've got to work on something
1:05:38
much better work off that um cheers jack all good um very good so i will leave you all to
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it so tomorrow don't forget it's at two o'clock and it's starting on ah
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jonathan the key session oh you'll have to watch the video then um sorry i can't make it but i've really
1:05:58
appreciated your input over the last few days it's been awesome
1:06:03
um and uh yeah i think you should open up a little little office on base
1:06:10
steam financials or something like that that would work quite well but no no but seriously really appreciated that so
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thanks jonathan thanks so much um and um yeah all right i think we're
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there all right well um i'll bet everyone if you're well you'll probably see me heating up because it's getting quite warm in this room uh but keep well
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stay safe and uh we shall catch up tomorrow at two o'clock for getting started with shares
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oh you love it cheers then all right we'll catch you then

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hey and what that means as well is that at some point probably give it a couple of weeks it will be uploaded to the force
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financial hub um so you can always look back on it um and you know i've had a
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few comments people have found it hard to sleep on a saturday actually look at the video listen to me and bam two
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minutes later they're asleep that's the thing i make these jokes they're really good jokes
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but i can't hear any laughter so yeah that's all good uh now is there anyone
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this is my last chance sam i'm i'm hoping to put your hand up uh they would like to take us through the karakia
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um i'm hopeful if it's not sam is there anybody else that wants to take us through it
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it's my last day i'm hoping someone will be a lot more eloquent than me
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no oh that's right here we go thank you i will do it again
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uh just this last time i prom the promise though is next time i'm not doing them again someone else has to
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jump in and do it that'll be for 2022. uh
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last official cutoff here for this week um so just in the middle there in case you didn't know is our new name
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so we're known as a retirement commission again um
1:37
and we basically run the sorted.org dot nz website for you
1:43
and that is there really just to give you access to completely free tools that always be forever free
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and knowledge items information and it's really all designed
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not to give you advice so bear that in mind to empower you to go and do your own great things on
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your financial journey and it's much more powerful for that reason so we're never going to recommend
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a specific provider or a bank that you need to go to it's all
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about letting you make that decision to your good themselves righty ho now there's a little chicken
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point here to ask you about what you did since your last session there was a link earlier in the week or
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a download that i sent out for people that can download the pdf document or it's like a workbook
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but mark has that uh as well so if you do want a copy of the workbooks in pdf
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um effectively just uh email benefits at
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nzdf.mill.nz i'm sure mark will throw that up at some point in the chat but there is a copy of the workbook
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available that you so wish to have but actually on that note
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yeah i was just going to just going to say did anyone do anything and mark's done some more reading and checked out more
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websites there's a complete um what's the word um
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the name escapes me but he knows everything well not everything but he knows a lot um and that's the cool oh
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there you go thanks mark there's an email address uh the cool thing is is that you know if mark doesn't know the
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answer to it he'll sort it out for you and get things sorted because he's very passionate about ensuring that you all
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get the benefits available um did anyone else do anything over the last few days that are sort of you know
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you thought right i'm gonna get on to that and it was sort of eye opening just as i clicked through to another
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page i could take a sip of water as well
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oh now um just so you know in this particular presentation just while i wait if anyone else comes through on the chat
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um we we have a little share market uh quiz game at the beginning
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so it would work really well if you didn't go off and look up the share price of those companies today
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until we finish the first part of the quiz because otherwise it's investing with hindsight
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but yeah so we're going to sort of run through a bit of a sheer game so to speak so the um
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first agenda item why share prices fluctuate and we'll just go through a bit of an exercise on that um but then we're also
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playing the shear marker gram which is what we're talking about you'll need a pen paper and calculator
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don't be too concerned about that um just use broad maths to figure out
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what you've bought and how much but it's it's to give you an idea
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um of you know picking with it based on a name what does that mean
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so anyway look forward to that one um how to buy shares so you know
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do you work with a financial advisor you work with well a broker which is a financial advisor as well or do you do
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the diy so we'll just talk through the pros and cons of that and i'll give you some i
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guess some things that i've learned over my 30 odd years to help build my knowledge
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with investments obviously i'm involved in it day-to-day but it's still a big learning
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experience for me and learning journey it'll be quite cool because mark will be able to share quite a bit in that space as well
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then last but not least financial advice so if you are going to see financial advice what are some of the questions you want
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to ask where do you want to look um and you know some of the things you just want to keep an eye out for and we
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also have a little piece in here about uh thoughts and scams um
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specifically related to shares so a lot of a lot of content and hopefully
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keeps you interested on this friday afternoon leading into a three o'clock finish um
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i know what friday afternoons are like and it's always a little bit harder to get through these sorts of things so
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question for you all to get invigorated what do we already know about shares hit me i'll see if i can keep up with it
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actually i might just drag my drop to my chat box a little bit bigger
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so what do we know about shares or what have you heard about shares what are some words you've heard have you heard
6:20
about shared companies that you're like oh that's right that's a meme stock i heard about that one what what are some
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of the stuff that did i look forward to reading this
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guy see there's a plug on the internet again it's probably because there's like hundreds of suggestions coming through
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and all stuck stuck getting to where i am uh thanks darwin you get the accolades being the first one high risk
6:44
but potentially high returns down there's a financial advisor in the making with you because you've worked
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potential well done um sam good for growth yep obviously sam's been involved in these sessions the last
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few times that's good uh oh mark good for long-term distance yep uh stacy
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stuff you buy that either makes or loses money so assume i know nothing oh but you knew that stacy so that's that's
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awesome so yeah it can make or lose your money definitely
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oh you know good point louise if we don't know about stuff uh they can make you nervous yep i agree with that
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completely um and especially if you have an interest in investments
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and you watch what's happening you know it started off with nice simple investments now we're starting with so
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much money in the system uh there's all these weird and wonderful investments coming about i'm
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not calling bitcoin weird but you know that was never thought of 10 years ago if you look at a um
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nft's non-fungible tokens i was reading an article this morning that um a banksy
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picture uh was bought at auction i don't know 12 million or something and what they're going to do it's that's the one where
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he's throwing the boko flowers they're going to destroy the picture so that
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the hard picture doesn't exist anymore but they're going to issue 10 000
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nfts non-fungible tokens or whatever it is 10 000 dollars whatever it is um to
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people so that they always have the right to view uh their picture and they own their part
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of the picture i don't know how it makes sense but maybe someone can shed light on that uh so yeah so it's a weird and
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wonderful we'll call them weird and wonderful investments uh anyone else about shares has anyone heard of game stock
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gme to the moon um
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um dividends capital growth capital gains
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um coke as in coca-cola uh i don't know warren
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diversification um yep okay cool so we've got some yeses
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all right so this is good this is no good another yes coming through hey nicki welcome back um
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and love's new to shares yeah yeah yeah well what i'm going to show you at the moment once i get onto the screen
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um yeah that is cool that's cool stacy um
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hopefully after today and some of the links we give you just start building up that knowledge
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base as well because i think from a from an old man perspective that's me uh looking at you
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know the launch of the shares isn't hatch yes it's all very well that they make it very easy to do but once you're set up
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what do you buy you know if you do want to put five bucks into it and just buy i don't know
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a company in new zealand well what one do you buy where is that so hopefully we'll just you know give me
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some thoughts around where you can start and hopefully just building that knowledge from here so hopefully stacey
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gives you that confidence and that knowledge to be able to do it so what you've got on your screen at the moment is a wonderful coffee
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manufacturing company and it's very simple but in a
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in a general sense this is how the companies that are on the share
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market uh can benefit from things that happen so here we go
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you know dennis has come along and bought ten thousand dollars worth of um coffee xyz limited shares
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so and i bought them right when they open at a dollar so i buy ten thousand one dollar shares
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which gives me my ten thousand bucks so i have ten thousand dollars as my starting value so that's the value you
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hold in this coffee xyz limited company all good
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uh coffee xyz had a massive bumper crop all right so what that means is as a company
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just think of it as like you and i individually if we suddenly got lots and lots of energy we can produce more
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things we could sell more and make more money so exactly what a company they suddenly have more coffee things that
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they could sell around the world or wherever and you know all their revenues went up so they sold more so
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more money came into the coffers which meant more profit so
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i'm in the money my my initial one dollar investment is now worth two dollars per share
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so if we go back to what i was holding i was holding ten thousand shares times two dollars so what's it worth now
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who's going to help me first with what is my shareholding and copy xyz limited worth
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could we close call sam well done sam yes 20 000. so it's now worth 20 000
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bucks so if you look at it on paper i haven't sold yet so this is key but on
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paper that my value in my company has gone from ten thousand dollars to twenty
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thousand dollars so i've made a capital gain of ten thousand dollars all good that's the first part
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um yeah so because it was such a bumper season
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um not just for coffee xyz but for a few other major coffee companies in the world
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there was an over supply of coffee so you know economics 101 if there's too
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much supply of something the price drops so here we go i've gone from two dollars down to 50
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cents now per share so if we work out that number again ten thousand dollars
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times fifty cents is now five thousand bucks hey oh vm you're at the pretty well done
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so i'll give you that glaze for that um so yeah now my investment's gone from ten thousand dollars twenty thousand
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dollars five thousand dollars so i've actually lost money now on paper because it's actually worth less
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than the original purchase price is that all good everyone any questions from anyone
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please feel free to ask me because it's going to start leading into our share game quite nicely
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all good sam's all good that's good good to hear all right um
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so you know we're watching what the share price is going up or down but now you're starting to understand that there's
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factors that can influence that share price so in this instance all we're talking
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about is how much coffee they can produce or have they produced too much coffee and
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have the prices dropped because what happens is if there's a bumper crop great you can sell more but if there's a
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massive oversupply in the world you'd have to drop the prices to sell it which means company revenues will drop
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which means company profits will drop which doesn't make that company as valuable so hence why the share price
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will drop as well last but not least as you can see locust infection infestation um
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thankfully coffee xyz had protected their coffee crop from locusts so they
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weren't able to get in it was a massive force field um i don't know i don't know where i'll make these things up from um but yeah so
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locust couldn't affect coffee xyz so they still had a great coffee to produce
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but the rest of the world's suppliers were wiped out so that left the company
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i bought shares in and because of that they could demand all sorts for their coffees it was just
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getting ridiculous and hence because they could put the price up for whatever
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and there was a shortage of coffee beans that made coffee xyz profit go up that
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revenues go up which means their profits were a lot more and it also means that the company could
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be worth a lot more so now it's worth five bucks a share so five bucks back to our original ten
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thousand means my investment has now gone from ten thousand dollars when i bought it
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twenty thousand dollars to five thousand dollars to fifty thousand dollars
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that makes sense everyone and you'll you'll notice just if there's
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any questions do come through it's just giving you a little simple example of it but you'll notice hey that's all good
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thanks nikki um you'll notice that i'm talking about on paper
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um so what on paper means is that yes it looks like we've made that money or
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perhaps we've lost that money but until we sell it
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we haven't got that money in our hot little hands if that makes sense so
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it's really important to remember that when we got here in a coffee glass and it was we've lost five thousand dollars
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of our original investment to just remember why we invested in the company
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and to sit and and hold and wait for the recovery at some point and sure enough
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the locust infestation around the world got that recovery underway and made the company a lot more valuable again
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now that that stays true if you're buying good quality companies
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and it just means and this is how we lead into our shares what to buy and who you use and what you do
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is if you're buying good quality at a good price then you know you minimize your risk but you can also
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just sit and hold because you know if you bought apple that apple will it's
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got what i don't know hundreds of billions of dollars worth of cash that they're sitting on they produce iphones
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everyone buys them they now make a little cloth that they sell for 20 bucks that wipes your iphone screen
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so yeah no anything that gets branded with apple on it um seems seems to be a
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seller so you can see how a quality company like that can start pulling through the rough
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times um cool all right so now i'm going to run a quick poll
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i know this is untitled but on your screen right now should be a
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question about how many domestic companies so this is world not just new zealand in the world we're listed on the stock
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exchange in 2019 so we've got 24 people so we've got
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4 300 43 143 000 or 1.143 million
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so let's see how we go oh there's a few people coming through on the last one
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it's a majority so far
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it must have been that first person that voted and just set it up for everyone to to pick the same one
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so there about nine uh six eight people to go i can't see who votes so long feel free
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to just vote as you think there's no i'll give it another
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six seconds five three
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one all right we'll end that one and share the results so uh one of us 4 300
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uh definitely more than that because we're talking about the world so there's i don't know how many
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billion people in the world five five billion six billion seven billion i can't remember how many billions but
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there's lots and lots of people in the world lots of countries um so four thousand three hundred bit low starting
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to get them oh thanks mark seven billion told you mark is a reservoir of information there you go reservoir i
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like that word um 43 000 still a bit low but it's getting bigger these numbers
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are getting big now uh 143 000 or 1.143 million
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it is the 1.143 million so that's how many
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companies are out there in the world that were potentially
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you could invest in them depending on stock exchanges and wherever they were in the country
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so the reason why we just want to illustrate that is that if you look at our humble economy in new zealand our
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stock exchange if we talk about the nzx 50 that is 50 of new zealand's biggest
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companies so 50 divided by 1.143 million gives you an idea of how
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big the global share market is as a whole and how little new zealand is in
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comparison to it so um how do you actually go about figuring
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out what to buy so has anyone got any ideas around that well i just quickly um set this share
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game up about where do you start how do you buy what do you buy
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um has anyone got an example that they used feel free to put it on the chat and i'll be happy to happy to share it
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right so while that comes through our little share market game if you've got a pen and paper handy correct
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perfect but otherwise don't be too concerned yeah thanks mark research research uh
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maybe make it like a location location location research research we see um a thousand bucks so we've got a thousand
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bucks but bear in mind this is 2013. so i'm just going to quickly go off
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uh priso here and
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so on your screen now this is just so if you can't access it
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and what i'll do is i will pop the link
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so the link is on chat so if you do have the ability to open it up in your screen feel free to do so
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uh click on the link that i just did and you'll get a copy of this one so these are the new zealand shares
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as at september 2013. and i think just to keep it simple
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um i've done the second page but let's just stick to a to c
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so from abano healthcare through to chorus limited and what i want you to do is look at the
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price and pick out you know four or five shares
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and use your thousand bucks to buy the shares and maybe in the chat just
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list them out the companies that you like and i just want to see if there's some themes coming through or some common threads on it so on the chat just
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let me know the company name with a comma and another company name and the companies that you want to buy you can just buy
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one and put your whole thousand into that or you could buy two or three if you're really good at your maths and you could
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do this quickly to buy 10 companies but we'll just stick with a to c just to keep me from flipping screen to screen
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because i know it can be quite hard to see and especially for people on phones it's even tougher so using your thousand bucks
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as an example uh where are we uh if i look at the asian total return
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investment company plc it's 3.40 so if i put all of my thousand bucks
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into that i'd probably get let's say 300 shares let's just say 300
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shares in that company and what we're going to do is then once everyone's had an
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opportunity to do this look at what the share prices are now
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up to date now there's one rule with this and we're only doing a to c um
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if you pick a company no one's actually giving me their company name yet
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you could not be off going off side and figuring out what the prices are now is
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if that company doesn't exist in the new um
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mzx that summary that we cover then we'll just assume that that money's
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gone it's been lost all right just to one
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yeah brian so that that will be the question that we come up to so at the moment we're going to get you to just
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pick out some names that you like that you think yeah i'm going to buy them so sarah's oh sarah darwin bam chorus
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they've gone all in on chorus so where are we there's chorus all right right down the bottom 2.92
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uh sam sam's come in with three companies chorus augusta and air new zealand so augusta is a property
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management firm so brilliant love it uh nikki's hit us with anz and contact
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yep mark oh mark's getting into like nitty gritty here anz 10 shares asb 100 and
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contact 100. so brilliant thanks mark love the detail uh scott hit us with a2
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i'm surprised actually not many people have gone with a2 because a2 oops not in new zealand oh why is that
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i'm sure i'm sure did you not say oh yes no not in new zealand
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price yeah no fair enough what was in new zealand there um 1.42 yeah
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stacy with cavalier i'm all in yeah i remember cavalier
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yes fletcher building very um
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uh big new zealand building companies that branched into australia as well there's a fletcher building united um
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bernice split with a2 amp books sorry just hit the wrong button there um
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split with a2 a and b contact and oh a nz yes
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that's right beneath i knew what you meant uh luz a2 a and z bernice anz
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uh all brian's considered thought here frisco's fletcher
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asb capital very good all right so just remember
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for those companies that you've got just sort of the share price you bought them at okay
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so does anyone else just want to venture there oh here we go stacy
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oh that's it space uh bathurst and barramundi because they sound cool i'm
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guessing you like watching bath stacy i'm guessing that's where you're coming from
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uh louise contact energy habano healthcare and bear thirst oh yeah we've got another race race lover
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i'm assuming it is a pretty cool name though has anyone seen that um
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there's a super cheap auto ad whether we were previous sponsors of the event but we can't do that so now
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we're sponsoring this town called bathurst that's yeah it's quite funny anyway um
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no one else so remember the price you bought of that so as an
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example for brian with frisco he's bought at uh 2.46
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fletch building oh fletcher are you ah it's off
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that's not on here is it you've gone past the so we were trying to do abc but that's cool
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that's all right um what else we've got and asb
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so preference shares so just so you know if you ever see them
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they give you the right to at some point convert into shares
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um so at the yeah i won't get too confused on this but sometimes there's what they call
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capital notes or bonds which have a sort of an equity-like
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flavor to them and it just means that at some point you might end up getting shares in the
26:58
company rather than getting your bond back and those sorts of things so preference shares similar thing so if
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you get the right to be able to buy the shares at a certain price so they can be tradable as well um all
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right here we go so let's get rid of those so does everyone remember their prices well roughly
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so here we go now this is why i wanted to keep it a to c so for those of us that have gone
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past the level c to f or whatever it might be um it's a little bit tough so
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how are we doing so let's pick on a2 so 5.93 i think 82 at the time
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was 71 cents so remember our coffee company
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71 cents that's now worth 5.9 bear in mind it went up to
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20 bucks i think or something didn't mark it went right up sky high 20 odd bucks is that right was it 12 bucks always
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transpose the numbers um but yeah suffice to say he's still in the money at 5.93
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i was about 20 bucks yeah thanks mark um how's everyone doing now how's your share yes chairs doing
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uh now who who hit me with cavalier
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stacy hey you're all in on cavaliers cavaliers showing up on that screen oh actually we'll just scroll down a little bit
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so there you go um yeah unfortunately cavalier brimworth which is the carpet manufacturer i know
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this on personally um yeah they went bust they went into receivership
28:38
uh contact here we go where is it ah
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oh what is this this excellent main board yeah you
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should have contacted here oh there we go sorry i couldn't even see it i was looking for i
28:59
see in to contact 7.91 ah that's yeah yeah yeah so yeah
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cavalier and it was a bad one too because it was hyped as a great purchase great share
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lots and lots of people bought into a great new zealand company and it just turned out to be a complete
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um dog's breakfast so to speak um uh gained with contact in a2 lost
29:23
today nz won overall awesome nicki i'll call it out nick because that's great um
29:28
uh where's bathurst well that would be a big question
29:34
so what can happen and i'll talk from my personal experience is
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i bought orion healthcare shares originally so i thought you know it's a
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company i.t company focused on medical space coming out with this wonderful bit of software this is cool
29:55
bought they they took off dropped had a bit of rebound the engines dropped
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and languished at whatever value it was dollar something for ages and ages and
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then basically they chose to de-list so what it meant is that um
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whether it was the owners or whoever it was in the background made an offer to shareholders to buy
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their parcel of shares so what's probably happened with bathurst is it's de-listed
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a good outcome would be that it got bought out by a bigger player and you know you've got the payout from
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it that's a good outcome a bad outcome would be the company went fast
30:38
and you lost all your money that was a like cavalier um anyone else how they went um oh
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for brian's benefit let's scroll down to fletcher building fbu 6.90
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um abano no no so um if i go back i think obano renamed to a different
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name from memory maybe mark and his reservoir of knowledge can confirm that
31:08
one obana i think renamed to a new property company so they merged or something or
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rather happened um so
31:19
question what did we think i mean this is a very simple game but were you surprised by
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what's happened to your company or what did we think or actually the process i love stacy's comment i'm going to pick
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bethesda and another name because i like the sound of them um so how did we pick our shares what did we do
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and there's no right or wrong answer unless it's your personal thoughts on it
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i might just go back to my prezzo just as we wait for stuff to come
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through
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okay so thanks thanks cameron clicked on face value uh and when you say pick from face value
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as in you picked it because it was cheap or you picked it because it was a okay price in your mind so to speak or did
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you pick it because they're expensive so they must be good what how did you sort of break those three
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that price down um picked chorus because i thought of their growth area yeah yeah exactly
32:29
sarah and no doubt you've seen the ads chorus is leading the way and it's an
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infrastructure type asset it's leading the charge on
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ultra fast broadband rollout and those sorts of things so yeah yeah get that uh stacy i like the name and the price
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yeah and very very common thing as well that's in our minds we've got our own you know we
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like when we go shopping um oh bm
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yes so here's an interesting thing and we'll just touch upon this quickly um
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when you see so these are shares and this this is just giving you a quick rundown of it
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without spending too much on it you've got the code name for the underlying company you've got the name of the company and if you look at this share
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market nzx and i'm just going to post the address so this is if you do want to
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look at it you can click on these companies and it gives you all their announcements and things that are like a
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bit of a company history as such um you can see the price and then you can see the change so the
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latest change so aft pharmaceuticals you've probably seen it it's the old
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dude on a paddling board that's selling the the panadol and um ibuprofen pills
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that are matched together it's aft pharmaceuticals they have dropped three cents
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today uh and that's equal to 0.68 of a percent and then over here so vm has touched on
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this one is the volume so how remember the term that began with al we
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talked about this no not yesterday before what's the one that that word that
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begins with l is really important to know and cash is a great example
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of it it's a very acid a very
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yes stacy awesome i'd give you a hug if i could do it through the computer liquidity yes very
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liquid acid so um oh the susan great question to your
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on this i think it's slightly delayed um i don't know by how much if someone
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does knows that then definitely send it through but it's you know
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an hour or so it's not delayed by much so it is very up-to-date um
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but yeah so the volume is the liquidity or how much is it being bought and sold of
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that share so if you've got shares that have no trading volume in it that means two things i
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not many people are selling it but then also b not many people are buying it either
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so if you bought the shares in i don't know and you can see it here
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afc group holdings it's worth less than one cent um
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you're pretty much for what's going to happen here i mean the company is only worth 3.6 million based on those shares
35:34
but you can see full well that there's a lot of companies in new zealand let's just go to 100
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where like burger fuel only 68 cent shares traded
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so price discovery like buying and selling to figure out what the price that
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investors want to pay is is not very high at all so it's one thing to be aware of especially if we're doing a diy type of
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coach what do we got here oh thanks mark obano bano was bought out and delisted
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4.45 per share buyout and it happens a lot on our exchange a
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lot of companies get bought by big overseas companies um and yeah shareholders are in a payday
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but for us to invest in companies they suddenly disappear and dry up and we've
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got to find another investment as well so brian picked on the industry and development opportunities in the current
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climate brilliant love it uh also looked at the ones deeply impacted by covert yes
36:36
so actually speaking of which did anyone see what happened with um
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in new zealand dollar 52 today and
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dollar 43 back then they've increased slightly and held their value
36:56
even though the government owns half of new zealand now and they've got a just shy of a billion
37:03
dollar loan facility from the government and they're bleeding cash because they can't fly so
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how does that figure have us you know our coffee example how does that work how can it still be worth 1.52 a share
37:17
um what else we've got
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oh someone just said i owned a few of those shares so i had inside information uh yes
37:29
um so did we get much out of that like in terms of that i know it's a sort of a simple game is it's hard to do games
37:36
over the webinar but did we do we learned from that as such in terms of you know we've all got our different
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approaches with the prices right the name sounds kind of cool
37:48
or we have a an insight into what the possibility is over the future and
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there's just different approaches um future potential yeah exactly for new
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zealand exactly right um but yeah let's let's see
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um all right any questions
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so um look at that that's yeah um i've shared the link for
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the 2013 prices and it goes from uh it ends at j i think jp morgan so you can have a
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sort of a look through uh but then i've also given you the link for the nzx marker and then that's more up to date
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so yeah so here we go let's uh 241 good timing um
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this is a call obviously it's a fake one but it gives you an idea of what could
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happen um so mark has to give us grading on this because one of the people we know
38:53
is one of the voices so here we go
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e
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hello jim speaking hello gemma i am richard from abc shares how are you today
39:20
uh i'm i'm good but i'm in quite a bit of a rush oh that's all good listen i'm just gonna take a minute just give me one minute here okay um i'm just calling
39:27
you because i got this really great investment opportunity for you so we're only offering this to a select group of
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potential investors okay so lucky you um so we have an exclusive access to
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shares in a new company it's brand new um so it's not yet available to the public okay
39:44
and shares are selling at a ridiculously super cheap price okay it's only 10
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cents each now i'm not sure if you're familiar with the investment world but 10 cents each is ridiculous okay but uh
39:56
she is quite risky oh my god gemma are you like a mind reader or something i was just about to talk about that so
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it's low risk and guaranteed high returns here okay but you have to act fast as we only have a limited number of
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shares available okay um i think i might need to ask my partner about this
40:15
you know gemma listen let me ask you a question how do you think that rich people get even richer
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they all access deals like this okay they all do it i've done it everybody's
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doing it and now you can too which is amazing okay so so the minimum purchase is only a
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hundred thousand shares for thousand dollars plus brokerage fee which is which is really cheap you know um i just
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want you to keep this investment opportunity a secret so we only want a select few hand-picked investors like
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yourself okay look i've invested myself everybody i know has done it and they're all reaping
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the rewards right now okay um
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okay so you know what you know gemma listen i'll just set you up with a minimum amount now okay let me just get
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started with that so yeah probably a little bit sort of
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out there in terms of uh you know the call as such i'm sure they're a lot smoother than that we had a comment come
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through that they said they've actually had one of those calls or some of those calls before so it does happen trust me
41:19
when i say that even though we have our wonderful voice actors god they did a better job than i ever did when i when i
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tried to do that one um oh what's louise sit here i didn't do very well with the chairs i chose
41:31
that's cool louise that's that's the whole exercise and it's not about to scare us from
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uh being able to make our own decisions it's just there is a bit of a checking point to remind us that you know
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it's all good putting buying a share that we like or something that we want to be part of like let's
41:49
just say tesla i want to be part of tesla in the journey um or rocket lab
41:55
because it's in the rocker company launching satellites in the space whatever it is if there's a great story
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and you want to be part of it it's a brilliant way to be part of it again you repeat that
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but it just reminds us that you know even though i deal with money day in day out i am by no way
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confident or qualified or have enough time to manage say my own kings over i've got
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it set up yes i've i've picked where i wanted invested but i've set it up with my provider and i leave it to them that is
42:27
it because i know in my world if i want to buy some shares on chairs whatever i want to do that's because i don't mind
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the risk of losing them and it's the same thing with that share game that's the reason why we have this share game
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that if you are going to do it and there's lots and lots of diy people out there that do do it um then
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you can but you've got to give it the three hours as mark has alluded to
42:51
research research research um so is it best to keep emotion out of it
42:58
or does gut instinct pay off yeah yeah well gut instinct definitely
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there's something to be said about it um but you definitely do want to keep emotion out of it because you know when
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you engage with a let's say a mercer as a fund manager like your kiwisaver
43:16
attends a deer their job or the the portfolio manager's job or the investment manager's job
43:23
is to take money in they have a duty of care to you as the investor but to take money in to invest it
43:30
through thick or thin if they believe they're onto a good thing they've got a good company they will stick with it they won't be
43:37
led by emotions like you and i might be so emotions may play a part but you have
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to leave it to one side you have to focus on to jonathan's point yesterday
43:49
the why of why you're investing and your time frame and your plan so stick to the plans
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um oh that's cool no worries brian's had to go to another meeting no worries brian
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don't forget you can watch the webinar um which is all good um scott
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capitalization column what's sorry scott i'm just going to clarify
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that comment was that oh what does that mean okay hang on a hand oh i've got rid of it now
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all right so where you saw the capitalization column on the internet shares that is the value of all of the
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shares that are outstanding based on the share price um so it can give you an idea of how valuable the company is
44:34
but not not really because if the share prices are really really sky high like a tesla
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people are happy paying over the odds for tesla because of the future potential rather than what actually the
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value of the company is here and now but you can see for some of them um the capitalization is like well 3.4
44:55
million and this is a main board listed company that just seems ridiculously low
45:03
mark just made the current buying shares for over 25 years over my portfolio i'm up overall including dividends however
45:08
i've lost some on pumpkin patch in new zealand okay cool no restaurant
45:14
yeah i remember i'm patch crikey's the next thing that one um
45:21
sweet okay i'm just making sure i've got everything answered so that so what were some of the
45:26
what were some of the red flags on that particular one i know it seems easy but what were we sort of listening out for
45:32
there and i'll answer the question we've probably forgotten about that phone call
45:42
[Laughter] uh i did tell him that man dodgy accent
45:48
uh pushy too good to be true didn't say what the company was yep extra cheap yep
45:53
names i didn't recognize yeah and it and there's i mean there was
45:59
quite a few what were quite a few techniques used um it's uh you know if you're in a
46:06
hand-picked yeah exactly yeah right good old tui tui buzzwords like exclusive for
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everyone uh scroll down a little bit or everyone is
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yeah hear that fear of missing out hey look you're a select group of investors that
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weren't picked you don't want to be poor you want to be rich like the rich people and this is how rich people get rich so
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it that it feeds off that need to be part of something and that's just human nature
46:35
so yeah where did you get my number from exactly how did you get my number um so we've got to be really careful
46:42
about where we give our personal details out to uh you know the old in the old days when we used to go to shopping
46:48
malls um the car in the mall and put your name and phone number in the entry
46:53
to win and if you read through all the small print you know you agree to be contacted
46:58
by xyz whoever it might be um for future endeavors so you know that's
47:05
the sort of information that can be gleaned not to mention our own facebook pages or
47:10
instagram or tiktok or whatever like linkedin so we've got to be really careful around
47:16
where we store and share our information and what i'm going to give you here is
47:23
a great little guide now i've just given you a link so this
47:28
is the the little black book of scams and frauds um you can pick up a hard copy from banks
47:34
usually most if not all banks have a copy but it just sort of talks through some
47:39
of the common examples what to look out for how to keep yourself safe and it can be incredibly useful
47:47
that of reading material like a little coffee book really um so yeah i just wanted to highlight that one
47:55
um obviously there's a copy of it there again okay so how to buy shares
48:01
got 10 minutes i've only dedicated 30 seconds to this so we're going to do this quick no i'm kidding um
48:07
how does share share what you've done today what have you done to buy shares for the
48:12
people that have bought shares how have you bought them did you use a broker did you use a financial advisor did you go
48:18
through a fund could you go through sharesies hatch what what have you done share it on here don't you i don't want
48:24
to know amounts or what you bought but um okay so stay see your mates on sharesies
48:31
oh they're raving about it obviously um i marks broker and platforms like cheers
48:37
and hatch chairs and chairs gosh as he's coming through thick and fast yeah
48:44
oh direct from the company awesome uh bernice broker shares he's not around my day yes i know i know and focus man
48:51
it was really expensive to buy them wasn't it uh sharesies through asb yep and smart
48:58
shares yeah cool all right so it's interesting so in the old days so
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to speak you went to a broker to buy shares or bonds uh that's what they were there for um
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darwin you've just sent a dot i'm just wondering if there's supposed to be something else before that dot you might want to resend it um so we saw that that
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was how it was done in the old days but now we've got a i guess a range of um options available
49:26
and you know for those of us that have looked at the shares there's and thought where do i start
49:31
um it can be quite hard or even tricky
49:36
and i think the the real comment is to figure out okay do i want to put some money at risk because that's
49:43
what's going to happen if i'm going to buy some shares through sharesies i'm going to be risking that money and
49:50
what have i got here cameron's hit with hatch and ibkr
49:55
can you define what ib eye broker is that like another facility is that what you mean camera just to
50:02
check cameron i think you were my crypto man the other day weren't you
50:07
just checking i think i think the name sticks was that your camera um
50:12
so what i was going to share with you is ah what's your yeah cool
50:18
is the way i've learned uh in terms of you know what companies are out there
50:23
and what a fund manager is doing and i might have mentioned it before is i just sign up to their fund bank cheats or
50:30
their monthly newsletters um so here's here's just one example they don't do keemstar hence why i've picked this one
50:37
aspiring asset management i really rate them but that's me and it sort of shows how they've
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allocated their money so it gives you an idea of where they're putting money in the world or their performance talks through about
50:50
what went well what didn't go so well and then importantly you get a top 10 holdings
50:57
which you know if you do two or three different fund managers like immerser because they would send out the same
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thing every month so for all of you that are in the nzdf mercer kiwisaver scheme
51:08
read your monthly update or go to force financial hub and get that monthly update because it will talk through some
51:15
of their top five or top 10 holdings that they have and it can help you sort of form a
51:21
picture that okay well they're in mining uh v dub because vdub
51:26
is uh very very big in the ev space electric vehicle space
51:31
google well slash alphabet so google you know google.com
51:37
uh infra tool which is in new zealand infrastructure based investor amazon fletcher building contact
51:44
infineon so they've been names you don't know come out microsoft and abb so
51:50
that can help um build your knowledge does that make sense so if you're stuck for ideas it's
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one way to start what i've also pulled up here is
52:04
the hatch learn how to invest i might just share that with you as well
52:11
and then if i get rid of that one behind that i've done a sharesies and all i've done
52:17
is just look at their um articles i'll just put the link there as well um how to choose a company to
52:23
invest in and you know understanding how you might make money looking at the rest of your portfolio how's the company this is
52:30
getting quite deep how's the company been performing so you're starting to analyze balance sheets and stuff
52:36
but it hopefully gives you an idea to say well actually i'm dennis and i do like
52:43
things that support fighting climate change so yes i might invest in the electoral
52:49
electric vehicle revolution uh yes i might want to invest in medical technology that will improve our lives
52:57
so you know you find some sort of interest area like for some of us that pick the companies in that share market game
53:04
find something that you like and are interested in because it makes it so much easier
53:10
and then you know try and find some companies that resonate tesla all right i'm going to
53:16
hop on board the elon musk train um and i'll buy i'll buy one share and
53:21
you know these days you can do what they call fractional so you don't have to spend 600 on one share you can put in
53:28
five bucks and it'll give you five into the share price um percentage ownership of that particular
53:35
share um any questions because i'm just trying to give you some some pointers because we can't give advice but just a
53:41
little bit more knowledge to flesh out how you might want to start or if you do have questions do ask them please
53:49
another one i wanted to show you is this one i use not i don't pay for it but i use the
53:56
free one so to speak um is you can pick out um
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company so let's pick out tesla i'm picking on tesla because it's just
54:08
everyone knows the name uh and this particular program it does it gives you all the research on
54:13
it so if you do want to start drilling down and getting a bit of research then you can pay for like a simply wall
54:20
street this is a us one but there are loads of these around
54:26
where you can see look you can see the future of the company the health the past looks pretty healthy
54:32
the value for it's well overpriced obviously and there's no dividend well it's funny enough there's no dividend
54:39
but then it starts talking about their competitors how strong they are uh and you can see how then i prefer to
54:46
ruby and that's an interesting story i think watch this space i don't know about them but that would be very interesting um
54:54
shows competitors their their history and price oh there we go it's now saying i have to
54:59
sign in but you get the idea there's lots and lots of programs out there it's starting to slow down my internet
55:04
connection as well lots and lots of programs out there to help us make decisions
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what is uh can a private person buy direct from a company
55:18
you can do uh now look the shares that we're talking about are what we call listed shares
55:24
um so listed shares are easily tradable on exchange so like
55:30
a shares is there a hatch can buy them provided they can buy in those markets
55:36
but if you're wanting to buy shares in a privately held company then you need to be able to
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access it and sometimes there's a crowd called snowball another one called clarity where
55:49
investors can get in at the ground level before they list but it's it's a lot more risk because
55:57
they haven't got the same amount of regulation as say a share market list that company does
56:03
but it can be done uh mark oh there we go tensor shares are at 1085 each as of last night
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so yeah um right
56:16
we'll spend a bit of time on the other section so we'll quickly do the financial advice piece
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um has anyone here use a financial advisor now
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all right here we've got one yes cool what i might do while we wait for that is
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um i'll give you another couple of links as they come through
56:44
so milestone is the financial planning firm attached to well not attached into death but that
56:51
knows all about men's idea personnel and can make it a lot easier um oh yeah cool so
56:58
susan cool you've got a financial plan for milestone but decided i wanted to try my own dollars you know fair enough it's it's
57:04
the cool thing is you've got the information and you can go forth them and do your own thing as well
57:10
and some people do that they they pull their advisors in when they need to sound check something and then they're
57:16
off again um so you pull your experts in as you need to um louise has done okay cool uh so what
57:23
i've just showed you is teach yourself through milestone and then force financial hub
57:30
is also useful information and mark also mentioned um he will make available or send out the link if
57:37
you want to at some point uh if you email benefits at ncdf.melbourne
57:42
uh there are some podcasts as well so if you've preferred a list of podcasts mark have arranged for milestone to make some
57:49
of those podcasts which is pretty cool so where did i go here oh that's right so
57:55
while we're chatting so some of us have used financial advisors before um and if you haven't used one
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i'm just trying to give you some handy websites with my screenplay ball
58:10
so what are some questions that you would have asked your financial advisor
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yeah i've just put some links up for you as well i know we're just over so i'll quickly work through this
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so for the people that use financial ah perfect how are they paid exactly right what they earn yep that's the number one
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question yep any other questions
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so just an interest of time um expected return yeah yeah
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are they an afa yep um and also just remember everyone's a financial advisor now that the old
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acronym of afa has gone out the window um yeah are they independent could that be an important consideration so the one
58:58
i've given there's two websites uh mary holm put together she
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writes for the herald on the saturday about money matters has done for a very long time
59:08
but she has a website where on on a set list she's got advisors that
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are only paid by fees so if it's really important that you have
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i wouldn't say a 100 independent advice but as close to it as possible um that they charge fees and that is it
59:26
you know you know they're not going to get paid by recommending a product which is awesome
59:31
and then financial advice new zealand you can look through the whole country and find an advisor in your neck of the
59:36
woods that specializes in the thing that you want to be done so that could be mortgages insurance or
59:42
investment planning so oh yeah so there we go mary home is fantastic so there you go um
59:49
but yeah so some of the questions and don't be afraid to ask because yeah are they qualified are they actually a
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financial advisor they need to give you a disclosure document how are they paid are they paid by
1:00:01
salary or commission and if you take their advice do those commissions get paid to them
1:00:07
because of what you've chosen is the money going to be handled by an
1:00:14
independent trustee company that's really important um excuse me
1:00:20
so me dennis files the rock up to you as an advising guard hey hey mark give us your ten thousand
1:00:26
dollars make the check out to me uh and i'll get it invested for you uh that means you've given me the money
1:00:32
and i can do whatever i like with it you know if i was a dodgy character so having uh someone in the middle
1:00:39
um yes hi mark you can answer that one if you like um louise's question
1:00:47
oh uh there you go you run yeah uh yeah louise a very good question so yes they
1:00:52
are part of our requirement for our tender is that they must be independent they must be registered financial
1:00:58
advisors and they must be paid by salary rather than by way of um commission and
1:01:03
that that was that was our tender specifications cool thanks mark um yeah brilliant great
1:01:10
it's good having the expert on hand um sam had to run thanks sam no worries at all i know we're slightly over um but
1:01:17
remember any advisor you deal with a broker whatever whatever part they play
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you're in control so you have the right to ask questions to feel comfortable
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and to know that you've had all your questions answered before you commit to anything because it's really important
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and i think the key is as well because you can never pick a personality make sure you get on with them because if
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they're going to be part of your financial journey for the next five years 10 years 15 years whatever it
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might be you want to know you can sit in front of them and enjoy a cup of coffee or a
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lunch or whatever it might be you don't want to have to feel as if you're pulling teeth every time you sit down
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with them so just make sure you get on with them make sure they're trustworthy and make sure they can answer you their
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questions as well so hopefully we'll we'll skip over that one
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um why not skip over it but hopefully we've answered that one are there any questions because i've just had to sort
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of compress things at the end here but are there any questions i'm going to stick around for a little bit
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and same with mark i guess um and happily answer them so um
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yeah thank you so much i think we've run the whole session now some of these things will be played around with the
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content as such because we want to make sure it hits this is the first time we've run everything um oh thank you i'll take that i'll
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frame it very good some of it was very complimentary um what was i going to say i'm going to
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share a little feedback link mark do you want to sort of have a
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have a chat yeah well well thanks dennis just while you're doing that look thank you very much again a very good session
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and thank you everyone for attending just a reminder again uh further information further queries and things
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please just direct to benefits at ncdf.mill.nz we actually have a
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resources guide that we update on a monthly basis that shows uh the variety of resources
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that are available within new zealand to help people make decisions around investing and shares and things like that there's some really good stuff
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located a lot of it's free um and that includes podcasts and things like that provided by mary holmes and
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others other people like like her and again as dennis has highlighted
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milestone direct limited we actually commissioned them last year to do a series of podcasts for us which
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are on their site i will get them to send me the direct link again that's disappeared um and so but there's a
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couple in those podcasts on investing and things as well and of course you're able to pick up the
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phone and have a chat with them as well and things just just talk about emotions
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and stuff like that there's a very good program on tv three i think it is at the moment called westside and it's about this mythical family in west auckland in
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the 1980s and they're rather interesting individuals but they're all caught up
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with the hype of the of the share market in the in the mid 1980s which of course became a horrible crop
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with the october 1987 share market crash where lots of people got their fingers
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burnt because they were speculating rather than investing and they thought that they were automatically going to make a a guaranteed and fast return and
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of course many people lost thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars because they weren't doing their
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research they weren't looking at the robustness of potential investments and things and so um
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i think i think the share market crash comes next week so we all know what's happening
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but but for those of you who who can't recall or too young or weren't probably winning him alive in 1987 it was a
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horrendous crash it actually has a significant impact on both the new zealand the uk the australian the
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american economies and for us it actually took us about five to six years to recover from that
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and people for many many years were very nervous about investing in companies as a result of that and it took a long time
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for the new zealand and share market to bounce back uh but it highlights again the importance of doing your research
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and making sure you're comfortable you know with whatever you may be investing in and and taking advice if you're not sure
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yourself yeah no brilliant i was a bit worried we were going to with that one mark when you've referred to west west
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side west yeah can't remember what's the family's name out west i can't remember what their name is oh uh west oh west all
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right yeah yeah but yeah no exactly true because and we're not we're not trying to amp up
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fund managers but this is what you pay them for this is they do the research they do the
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risk taking um they get into investments that potentially we can't
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um so that's what we weigh up so when we're you know we can definitely save a lot of money doing it ourselves but
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there's saving that money equal to the potential losses we might face if we get it wrong so
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that's why i say if you're going to go and do a diy by all means because it's such a great knowledge builder but make
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sure it's something you can afford to lose if you get it wrong
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and start learning from it you know read read lots um be involved in share
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markets vote when you get voting papers through so you'll start learning about these sort of things um
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we just had a couple of comments just saying these webinars being helpful thanks louise appreciate that
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um and thank mark too because mark's pulled us all in to run these things um and one here really good sessions
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informative and easy to follow love it it's good no questions i'm surprised i thought
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there might have been lots of questions um
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don't forget the survey everyone so you can complete that which is good um but yeah it's
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i think to mark's point about 87 that it was a big share market crash i mean we had the the gfc as well
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uh sort of 0.70809 uh i mean if i look back
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we haven't really had a very bad market for a long time so you know it can sort
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of make us forget that share markets do have corrections that come along and you know
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our little coffee company sure it was coffee at action and the lack of or the oversupply of
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but investor sentiment plays a massive massive role
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nowhere is bernice thank you you have a good one as well warren buffett always used to sort of have the analogy that if there's blood
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on the streets you that's the best time to invest so ie when everybody's panicking going the world's falling
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prices are dropping down that's the best time to pick up some of the bargains that you can
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and you know stick to your plan stick to your kiwisaver if it's 65 this goal date
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stay focused stay in your risk your investment strategy according to your risk profile stay the course
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and chances are to that graph yesterday with um staying in the market you'll come out quite nicely
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over and above someone that tries to hop in and out when things are good or bad
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i mentioned the other day there's a very good book called a random walk down wall street yes which actually plots the american share
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market returns back to the end of the american civil war in 1864 1865. i was
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there dennis i think you're probably too young
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what it highlights again is that about on average every seven years the markets will go into a tailspin for whatever
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reason whether it's a asian covert a global financial crisis a twin towers
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attack or whatever else on on average every seven years and it'll take anything from three
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months to 24 to 36 months to bounce back and then they start heading towards the ceiling
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again and that's been the pattern for the last 170 something years and we can expect to see that pattern continue into
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the future the key thing is to remember that shares are very much for the long term it's a long-term investment and
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it's around there may be things where things will drop on value for no logical reason um for for some weeks and then
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they start bouncing uh bouncing back again the key thing is to look at the fundamentals of the company and make
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sure that it's got a solid foundation yeah brilliant and thank you luz and ben
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um glad glad you enjoyed it so that's cool i mean that's the whole reason why mark invites us in is to build that knowledge
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and to get us get us involved in financial stuff um so yeah well i look there's no
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question so i'm gonna let everybody oh here we go here we go oh mark you can answer this because you just started it
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there will be another crash i would say within the next five to seven years because that's what the
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pattern has been for the last 165 years as to when it's going to occur who knows
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but just remember that um the uh i'm the chief defence force
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representative on the mercer investment ball that has oversight of about 12 billion dollars invested by them
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and the we get we get comprehensive reports every month the prognosis for the
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international economy for the next four to five years is reasonably sound reasonably positive
1:10:41
as long as we don't have the chinese taking on taiwan or the russians invading the ukraine or something like
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that because who knows you know international events can have a detrimental impact on the share market
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in terms of things as well but um longer term the prognosis for the world economy is good but there'll be
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upheavals along the way and so again remember this is just you you're there for the long term you leave for the long
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haul and also remember if there is a correction um or what they call a bear market where it
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drops 20 then as long as you're you know your team savers buying every fortnight
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you're buying in at those lower prices so um yeah you've always got the opportunity to participate in higher
1:11:23
prices but also lower prices as well provided you stick to that plan um i just had a question come through
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what do you guys mean by a solid foundation can you just clarify a solid foundation um i don't know
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yeah i said that because i made it talking about companies are there actually got
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um good governance structures they've got good investments for structures they've got good investment goals
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they've got a long-term plan they've got a good um you know um tate right
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is a good example of that where um they've just announced they're going to be building um
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i think it's something like 400 and something additional units in new zealand for each of the next three years and they're also expanding now into
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victoria and australia in particular and they've got a long term plan there so longer term and given demographics but
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the way the new zealand and australian populations are aging um unless there's a dramatic change to the
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tax regime then longer term things like retirement villages are probably reasonably safe to
1:12:24
invest in as as long as you look on a case company by case basis around you know who are
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the directors who's the who's the board what sort of noise are they making about you know
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sound and safe investment practices and governance practices and that sort of thing
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yeah i was going to add to it as well the facebook is a great example
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i shouldn't end it there because then it's like oh my god he loves facebook but uh no i don't um but in the whole
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world of ethical investing one of the esg considerations now is
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governance so is facebook uh a good
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um convener of private information do they have good governance standards and it's to mark's point is that
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quite potentially not and it has been proven over past investment cycles that
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companies that have great governance structures that act in the best interests of their i don't know their
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shareholders their customers whatever it might be turn out to be better run and more profitable than companies that aren't
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that good in their governance arena as well um so hopefully it answers your question
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uh they're asked about solid foundation i mean westpac is a good example where
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they've had a real hammering from the australian um authorities and now the fm
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fma here in new zealand and the commerce commission i think have also strongly criticized westpac new zealand
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for a relatively weak governance structure which means the board in particular
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and so i think as a result of that there's been a wholesale clean out of the board some key people have gone and and are
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due to go in the next few weeks because so what they're doing is and putting an entirely new board structure in place in
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new zealand to reflect the criticism from the from the government agencies around the performance of the board
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yeah yeah yeah i remember that one you know and some people may remember the big one in aussie they had the royal
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commission inquiry into investments managers uh amp was a bad one to carry out of it so to speak um
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and banking as well and then it sort of came to new zealand a little bit around banking
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um but yeah it was a big clean out there as well i called that got answered solid
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foundations because i was thinking i can't remember saying that what did i say so i'm glad you said it mark that's good
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um anyone else with questions
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i don't i don't think there are so um i just want to pass along my appreciation a to mark for inviting me
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in thank you uh but b to everyone i know there's only 10 of us now that are on uh
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but you know that have stuck through the last five sessions i'm glad it's been worthwhile i assume that because you've
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stuck around but thank you so much and all the best for christmas have a have a
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merry christmas and a happy new year wherever you might celebrate that um stay safe stay well and you know who
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knows we might see in 2022. yeah thank you for that dennis and just a reminder everyone um
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instructions have come out from head office yesterday around how we're going to operate in the new um um
1:15:45
what are they called a traffic light system so that's all good so we're now starting to plan our classroom programs
1:15:52
we're going to be running next year in 2022 please we have the two-day investor education program which goes into the
1:15:58
stuff and yet more details so look out for that and would be great to see people coming on to some of those programs as well once we can get them um
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up and running again so have a best best wishes to everyone for the festive season news new year and please um any
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queries just benefits at ncdev.net great cool thanks mark
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and we've got some appreciations coming through appreciate it for your knowledge hey it comes with age that's what it was
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thanks carmel um and appreciate the presentation and
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cheers dennis mark cool all right well um keep well everyone mark if i don't speak to you again have a great one and
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uh we'll see you sometime next year okay thank you very much team have a good afternoon see you all bye